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Presidential Debate: The Heck Happened???
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Really not terribly interested in the Heritage Foundation's evaluation of the American unwashed masses.
Mitt was right about what he was referring to: the percentage of Americans who have fallen below federal income tax liability here in the worst economy since The Great Depression. That's about 47%, and it shouldn't come as a surprise. What was surprising, and shocking, is that Mitt dismissed all 47% of them as self-entitled slackers. And he definitely did that. He was clear, direct, detailed. You can't listen to the statement and realistically conclude that he "mis-spoke" without great suspension of disbelief. The only thing that might save him from such callous (literally) Anti-Americanism, in my view, is that I'm not sure he meant it. I'm never sure what he means. Which Mitt is which? The one who pretended to be right wing for the primaries? The one who pretends to be a country club conservative for rich donors? The one who gets all dewey-eyed and compassionate (but only after he's had his a$$ handed to him) about people who need help and who has no 4.8 trillion dollar 10-year tax cut in his economic plan (what he actually has none of is how to pay for it)? Which one is the real Mitt? Any of them? Which one will we elect and which one will govern? I kinda think we should know
Mitt is like a box of chocolates....
And I think I've probably crossed that political line. Don't get me wrong; I'm not big Obama fan and I've seen Mitts I could vote for (the governor of Mass comes to mind). The problem is I keep paying attention. If I could just settle on a Mitt I want him to be and turn off my brain, I'd be done.
Tim
If you feel that you're better off than you were 4 years ago and that $20K preamp is well within your grasp now, by all means vote for Obama. If you think there's an outside chance that someone else may do a better job of being the leader of the free world then vote for the governor from MA.
@Tim,
I pay attn bigtime and Mitt is a lot of things , fortunately his best asset is he's not the other guy , Ironic really , thats how the last guy got the job .....
As to his debating skills , there was never one , look back , not good without electronic partner , Mittens on the other hand has definetly worked on his and it showed, plus he has the added advantage of the last 4 yrs to pick on , very difficult for Ohhh to defend .....
Regards
I pay attn bigtime and Mitt is a lot of things , fortunately his best asset is he's not the other guy , Ironic really , thats how the last guy got the job .....
As to his debating skills , there was never one , look back , not good without electronic partner , Mittens on the other hand has definetly worked on his and it showed, plus he has the added advantage of the last 4 yrs to pick on , very difficult for Ohhh to defend .....
Regards
Big Bird says..."Leave me out of this, both of you..."
Great front page at NY Post today...reminds me of the classic "Headless Body Found At Topless Bar"
To me, it really comes down to whether we were a whisker a way from a great world depression four years ago. I know some of the inside story but it probably is a judgement call. If you think we were then we are much better off now than we would be if that happened. If not, and everything would have turned out better without intervention then we aren't.
I believe a hundred years from now, it will be clearer as the heated ideology clears and an honest retrospective is made after years of study. History has a way of clearing things up. The Iraq war will also be given that treatment. I don't know how it will turn out and won't be here anyway.
I believe a hundred years from now, it will be clearer as the heated ideology clears and an honest retrospective is made after years of study. History has a way of clearing things up. The Iraq war will also be given that treatment. I don't know how it will turn out and won't be here anyway.
What depression , the one where criminal bankers ran amock and their reward for doing such were bonuses paid to them from treasury creating more debt for our kids to pay ..,
that one???
And how many of the criminal bankers went to jail in the last 4 yrs ..Zero , guess who did nothing about it , yep . Dishonest hyprocritical politicians i expect , intellectual dishonesty from those who vote for them i do not...
regardless of Ones political leanings , it must be obvious to all we're being played from both sides , especially if your disposition supports the thesis we were in a disaster 4 yrs ago due to wrong policies and 4 yrs later same policies are still in place and worst accelerated , more spending , more wars , more jib jab , same disasterous results ....
Im a results person , amp sounds bad out , speaker dont produce results , out , i deviate none and expect the same from those getting rich on the tax payers dole ...
Shakespeare knew .....
that one???
And how many of the criminal bankers went to jail in the last 4 yrs ..Zero , guess who did nothing about it , yep . Dishonest hyprocritical politicians i expect , intellectual dishonesty from those who vote for them i do not...
regardless of Ones political leanings , it must be obvious to all we're being played from both sides , especially if your disposition supports the thesis we were in a disaster 4 yrs ago due to wrong policies and 4 yrs later same policies are still in place and worst accelerated , more spending , more wars , more jib jab , same disasterous results ....
Im a results person , amp sounds bad out , speaker dont produce results , out , i deviate none and expect the same from those getting rich on the tax payers dole ...
Shakespeare knew .....
Got a fancy color mailer on thick stock (i.e. $$$) putting down one of the republican candidates saying he is going to raise $800M in property taxes or some such amount and that he was in favor of putting the control in "olympia" (our state capital) against the local city. Thought that was strange for a republican to do. Did an online search. First hit is the local TV station that analyzed the ad. Answer? Exactly opposite. The candidate was simply endorsing bipartisan proposal to shift local taxes to state property taxes. The author of the proposal was actually democrat! And the reason for the legislation? State supreme court said it was illegal to use local taxes for schools as it created an unfair system where rich communities would approve them and hence get more money for their local schools. Since the practice is therefore discriminatory (in the opinion of the court), it must be discontinued. So the legislator was acting on it as they should and were simply shifting things around to arrive at the same dollars for school. Local taxes were to be repealed and replaced with higher state taxes. Half the counties were going to be hit with a few more dollars per year, the other half, that much less.
Don't want to discuss the specifics of this bit but boy, you want to lose someone's vote, pull a stunt like this. I know negative campaigning works but let's make it accurate if you want to go there.
Don't want to discuss the specifics of this bit but boy, you want to lose someone's vote, pull a stunt like this. I know negative campaigning works but let's make it accurate if you want to go there.
Feel better?What depression , the one where criminal bankers ran amock and their reward for doing such were bonuses paid to them from treasury creating more debt for our kids to pay ..,
that one???
And how many of the criminal bankers went to jail in the last 4 yrs ..Zero , guess who did nothing about it , yep . Dishonest hyprocritical politicians i expect , intellectual dishonesty from those who vote for them i do not...
regardless of Ones political leanings , it must be obvious to all we're being played from both sides , especially if your disposition supports the thesis we were in a disaster 4 yrs ago due to wrong policies and 4 yrs later same policies are still in place and worst accelerated , more spending , more wars , more jib jab , same disasterous results ....
Im a results person , amp sounds bad out , speaker dont produce results , out , i deviate none and expect the same from those getting rich on the tax payers dole ...
Shakespeare knew .....
'Spin meistering' is now being taught at the elementary school level. Interesting to think that most politicians learnt it at law school, LOL.
If you go to factcheck, you find it is rampant on both sides and like I said nobody gives a sh**. It is always just a left vs. right thing. Always a blame game. There IS however some good analytical stuff out there. Frontline did a nice one on the crisis. While, I think there is plenty of blame to go around and certainly some corrupt politicians and businness men, I categorically reject the paranoid position that they are all evil corrupt businessmen and politicians. If I felt that, I would move to a different country....although I hear Costa Rica is a nice place to retire! AIG would be a good place to start the study. Also, really interesting interview on that program on how the bundling of properties resulted in grade A securities when the algorthym was never intended to be used in the way it was used.
By the way, the post above seems to accuse me of intellectual dishonesty? Did anyone else read it that way? If so, doesn't really seem it was in the spirit of WBF.
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I know I'm better off than I was four years ago, I can do the math, but personal economics, even market economics, has never been a good reason to vote for or against an incumbent president. No doubt many people do that. Many people aren't very well-informed.
An outside chance of better leadership? If that's the only criteria, hell, I'd vote for the challenger every time. If enough of us did that it would send a valuable message while not doing much damage domestically. Internationally? Damned dangerous.
Vote for the governor from MA? Because I don't believe this thing is as bumper-sticker simple as you've presented it, I'm trying to figure out if the guy running on the GOP ticket is still the governor from MA. He wasn't for the last year. He has been for the last week. One thing is certain: He has a very casual relationship with the truth. But I suppose that's an occupational hazard.
Tim
<<One thing is certain: He has a very casual relationship with the truth>> ....and Obama doesn't eh? I bow to your superior intelligence..
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