Ron’s New System
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...good to hear no actual leak. This kind of noise can occur if the pipes have a complicated route to the waste line. You can get an accumulation of water (odd elbows/joint combinations and too little pitch on horizontal portions) that slowly drips into the pipe below, until it's gone. I have front gutters that do this, magnified by the "echo" of the aluminum gutter pipe itself...and it drives me crazy. It only happens when there is a small amount of water to pass, not when it's actually a good rain. It may not be much consolation, but not being an actual leak is huge.
Hi Ron, this can be nerve wracking. I have/had a similar issue. No leaking but because I heat my water with a boiler the water is extremely hot. So, in the upstairs bath/loft with the expansion/contraction its does in fact sound like leaking but it is not. You would see water dripping out of the soffit I would think. Good luck I hope it all gets sorted out....
The maddening gutter drip!! I've had this, it's like remote "water boarding"...
Gutter drip is better than when the wood pecker drilled a hole through my roof. I saw a puddle on the floor and yelled at the dog. The next day the puddle was there again. I thought hes not that stupid, so I got my face to it and sniffed. Not pee. Investigation showed a clean 1/2" hole right in the middle of the valley.
I felt bad I yelled at the dog.
I felt bad I yelled at the dog.
I am very close to having my own room. I close on March 15th. I have a 2 bad car garage with a pretty high ceiling or a 3 bay RV garage to make a room in. I hope my thread has no where near the 258 pages here.
Owe sorry. I'm usurping Rons thread for my gain.
Owe sorry. I'm usurping Rons thread for my gain.
That sounds awesome!! I would love to follow your progress to a dedicated audioroom!!
It is going to be A LOT of work, but also very fun, interesting and very educational on your part.
I wish you all the best
!/ Johan
Hello Johan,
The contractor thinks there is no actual water leakage, and no sign of water damage. He is untangling the pipes and wires, and he thinks this will eliminate the dripping sound.
Hi Ron,
Sounds great! I’m glad to hear it’s probably no water leakage. Water leakage must be the worst scenario ever - for anyone!
Hope everything is goes well in the end, and the mystery sound goes away.
/ Jk
@Ron Resnick
Not to beat a horse, but I know people who have bought the BACCH. Those units are getting a software upgrade called ORC. Its a very sophisticated room correction software that goes so far as to measure your ear patina to get the correct frequency response. I have a good friend who has it. He has a nice room. Spent a lot of time on it. He's pretty shocked how impactful in a positive way both sets of software have been.
I have also heard a few people say it does not impact the way your viny presents. It just makes it all better.
It seems.time for you to try it. Its like, $8k or so for the Mac Mini version. Small investment for somone who has worked for a year to tune their system.
By the way, it won't fix a dripping sound from creaking pipes.
Not to beat a horse, but I know people who have bought the BACCH. Those units are getting a software upgrade called ORC. Its a very sophisticated room correction software that goes so far as to measure your ear patina to get the correct frequency response. I have a good friend who has it. He has a nice room. Spent a lot of time on it. He's pretty shocked how impactful in a positive way both sets of software have been.
I have also heard a few people say it does not impact the way your viny presents. It just makes it all better.
It seems.time for you to try it. Its like, $8k or so for the Mac Mini version. Small investment for somone who has worked for a year to tune their system.
By the way, it won't fix a dripping sound from creaking pipes.
Hey Ron,
Thank you and Tinka again for your gracious hospitality. Now, as promised, my thoughts on your system.
0. Overall
Overall, it is clear to me that you have set out with a goal of having it all. And with perhaps a personal focus on a combination of electrostatic like clarity/transparency with a midrange vocal beauty and then ultimately a combination of scale and slam to give you “everything”.
My entire takeaway can be summarized this: you have an ear, a room and a series of electronic masterpieces few will ever hear let alone own or have. I really learned something about speaker and system resolve and articulation and can see you have played to your panel’s strengths there. Really spectacular.
It is the obsessional set up and tweaking (not necessarily equipment gidget gadget tweak but placement, treatments, etc) where I think you equipment is so good I think you can continue to take your sound even further…potentially a lot further.
1. You
Your ear matters infinitely more than mine. I have heard your system once (a privilege)…but it’s your system. I believe your tastes are as above. I take that somewhat into consideration but also share my own personal bias because i admit mine were not always mine to start…I adopted tastes after hearing systems with other priorities.
2. Your Electronics
Exceptional. I have not one critically bad thing to say about the Pendragons and sense your sources are immaculate. The Pendragons have tremendous capabilities and do seem as perfect a fit for you as one could possibly imagine.
Your amps I sense do great justice to your ear’s search for sound you like…but when you have established your final tweaked set up…I sense you could well find additional amps to consider that go further down your road.
3. Your set up
Here is where I somehow came in and felt intuitively there was more your system is capable of. But it also based on personal taste.
I am a first row balcony guy. Definitely not orchestra first row.
Your system is orchestra first row…I felt close to the speakers and found that on hard left and right splits in (I think) the keyboard…the music instantaneously went left and right. Immersive to your left and right until hard left and right…but less so around you and deep in front of you.
Intuitively not knowing your room at all, I felt like I either wanted to sit further back or bring the panels closer together or angle in. I recall you did not like them toed in.
I also feel like the room being very empty has created that vacuum where it has led you to wall treatments. I have heard rooms with bookshelves and plants in them…and somehow think there is a more natural control over sound and space that a lived in space can give to a room where it does not need as much treatment. Or if you want to go treatment only, then it needs to be obsessively arranged a la Mike L.
On the amps, you have plenty of grip to deliver great sound but I have now heard a few super amps…and I have to say, what they do with super speakers like yours is nothing short of magic. There is something otherworldly about how great speakers react to uber amps, there is nuance and alacrity and effortless effortless like Horowitz-playing-piano effortlessness that you don’t appreciate can be possible…til it’s right there in front of you.
I think your Pendragons can do even more. More stillness, more music making with even less milli-movement shimmer during crescendos.
Purely instinct. I think your amps give you wonderful umami flavours. But there is something in those ribbons which I suspect will react beautifully to even more effortless control.
4. My tastes
I think that the fortissimo to pianissimo of your system is potentially one of its greatest potential strengths. But I think for some reason the amps may not be making the most of this.
And so during crescendos it is all loud whereas I think there are elements which are probably pianissimo when other elements are forte…but the amp cannot quite handle the complexity to deliver that. And so it’s all forte when the music is all forte. Or all pianissimo. A mix of microdynamic shading and macrodynamic shading.
On bass, I would still love to hear what your room can do sub 38hz…I know it can easily hit that. It’s about how much air moves below 25-28hz and is recreating the actual sense of the venue's original space in your room. Your system is already capable of so much…what can I say … it is a personal search of the unknown for me to discover the undiscovered country of subterranean phenomena. Not ordinary 35hz bass but the special elements and foundational elements that both live below 35hz down to 15hz or so. Your room is big enough to hold it and pressurize the air (not pressurize the room sound-wise) but literally shimmer the air around you.
5. My own ideas
You have one of the most beautifully resolving systems I have heard. Truly.
It deserves to breathe a bit more to be able to share a musical presentation that gives the listener the sense of venue and space to which he is being transported. That is potentially where if you like sitting further back it can help create greater sense of space and also allow the ear to discern space better than being all upfront
I think your magical Jadis amps are creating the vocal and midbeauty you love. I hope you find something that can do that and provide your speakers with even cleaner power with even greater control.
I would love to hear sub 28hz additions just because that’s me. ( I do think your AVAAs seem to calibrate in real-time…the bass when we first started playing was different later in the track and different when we replayed it 11 minutes later.).
In sum, it was a genuine privilege to hear such an august all-out assault system. Full resolution. Full range. Full power. And beauty in its music making.
I sense it is so good there is even more greatness yet to come!!
Thank you and Tinka again for your gracious hospitality. Now, as promised, my thoughts on your system.
0. Overall
Overall, it is clear to me that you have set out with a goal of having it all. And with perhaps a personal focus on a combination of electrostatic like clarity/transparency with a midrange vocal beauty and then ultimately a combination of scale and slam to give you “everything”.
My entire takeaway can be summarized this: you have an ear, a room and a series of electronic masterpieces few will ever hear let alone own or have. I really learned something about speaker and system resolve and articulation and can see you have played to your panel’s strengths there. Really spectacular.
It is the obsessional set up and tweaking (not necessarily equipment gidget gadget tweak but placement, treatments, etc) where I think you equipment is so good I think you can continue to take your sound even further…potentially a lot further.
1. You
Your ear matters infinitely more than mine. I have heard your system once (a privilege)…but it’s your system. I believe your tastes are as above. I take that somewhat into consideration but also share my own personal bias because i admit mine were not always mine to start…I adopted tastes after hearing systems with other priorities.
2. Your Electronics
Exceptional. I have not one critically bad thing to say about the Pendragons and sense your sources are immaculate. The Pendragons have tremendous capabilities and do seem as perfect a fit for you as one could possibly imagine.
Your amps I sense do great justice to your ear’s search for sound you like…but when you have established your final tweaked set up…I sense you could well find additional amps to consider that go further down your road.
3. Your set up
Here is where I somehow came in and felt intuitively there was more your system is capable of. But it also based on personal taste.
I am a first row balcony guy. Definitely not orchestra first row.
Your system is orchestra first row…I felt close to the speakers and found that on hard left and right splits in (I think) the keyboard…the music instantaneously went left and right. Immersive to your left and right until hard left and right…but less so around you and deep in front of you.
Intuitively not knowing your room at all, I felt like I either wanted to sit further back or bring the panels closer together or angle in. I recall you did not like them toed in.
I also feel like the room being very empty has created that vacuum where it has led you to wall treatments. I have heard rooms with bookshelves and plants in them…and somehow think there is a more natural control over sound and space that a lived in space can give to a room where it does not need as much treatment. Or if you want to go treatment only, then it needs to be obsessively arranged a la Mike L.
On the amps, you have plenty of grip to deliver great sound but I have now heard a few super amps…and I have to say, what they do with super speakers like yours is nothing short of magic. There is something otherworldly about how great speakers react to uber amps, there is nuance and alacrity and effortless effortless like Horowitz-playing-piano effortlessness that you don’t appreciate can be possible…til it’s right there in front of you.
I think your Pendragons can do even more. More stillness, more music making with even less milli-movement shimmer during crescendos.
Purely instinct. I think your amps give you wonderful umami flavours. But there is something in those ribbons which I suspect will react beautifully to even more effortless control.
4. My tastes
I think that the fortissimo to pianissimo of your system is potentially one of its greatest potential strengths. But I think for some reason the amps may not be making the most of this.
And so during crescendos it is all loud whereas I think there are elements which are probably pianissimo when other elements are forte…but the amp cannot quite handle the complexity to deliver that. And so it’s all forte when the music is all forte. Or all pianissimo. A mix of microdynamic shading and macrodynamic shading.
On bass, I would still love to hear what your room can do sub 38hz…I know it can easily hit that. It’s about how much air moves below 25-28hz and is recreating the actual sense of the venue's original space in your room. Your system is already capable of so much…what can I say … it is a personal search of the unknown for me to discover the undiscovered country of subterranean phenomena. Not ordinary 35hz bass but the special elements and foundational elements that both live below 35hz down to 15hz or so. Your room is big enough to hold it and pressurize the air (not pressurize the room sound-wise) but literally shimmer the air around you.
5. My own ideas
You have one of the most beautifully resolving systems I have heard. Truly.
It deserves to breathe a bit more to be able to share a musical presentation that gives the listener the sense of venue and space to which he is being transported. That is potentially where if you like sitting further back it can help create greater sense of space and also allow the ear to discern space better than being all upfront
I think your magical Jadis amps are creating the vocal and midbeauty you love. I hope you find something that can do that and provide your speakers with even cleaner power with even greater control.
I would love to hear sub 28hz additions just because that’s me. ( I do think your AVAAs seem to calibrate in real-time…the bass when we first started playing was different later in the track and different when we replayed it 11 minutes later.).
In sum, it was a genuine privilege to hear such an august all-out assault system. Full resolution. Full range. Full power. And beauty in its music making.
I sense it is so good there is even more greatness yet to come!!
I've been playing with this obsession for a long time. I have learned so much from others. Eventually one gets to a certain juncture, and you think you have a pretty good grasp of things.
Then you read such articulate observations from Lloyd @LL21 and it gives one pause. It makes me realize I don't know nearly as much as I think I do...Well done Lloyd...
Then you read such articulate observations from Lloyd @LL21 and it gives one pause. It makes me realize I don't know nearly as much as I think I do...Well done Lloyd...
Hi, can you please recollect if these impressions came while playing digital, TT, tape, or all 3?
The reason I ask is because you yourself are digital only so not clear how your auditioning process was.
Al M is digital only and also wrote a good descriptive report of what he heard when listening to specific recordings. Lloyd’s report differs from most we read.
I also enjoyed Lloyd’s report because he lays down his own preferences for background, describes generally what he hears from Ron’s system, and then makes some suggestions on how to move forward. It’s an unusual approach and I found it quite interesting to read.
I also enjoyed Lloyd’s report because he lays down his own preferences for background, describes generally what he hears from Ron’s system, and then makes some suggestions on how to move forward. It’s an unusual approach and I found it quite interesting to read.
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Nice report, Lloyd. On your point 3., I am an orchestra front row guy, and I loved the relatively upfront presentation of Ron's system. Sure, on some recordings such a presentation reveals artifacts more, like exaggerated left/right hand split on piano, but I would not be willing to adjust listening perspective in order to accommodate recording artifacts.
As for acoustic treatments, I think they work just great in the room, not too much, not too little, and with a natural result.
Obviously, tastes differ.
While the digital did some impressive things as I described, I found it the weakest source of the three, my personal digital-only focus for my own system notwithstanding.
Analog tape was the strongest source in Ron's system.
It’s all good to visit Ron’s system as part of a learning process and audio get together fun. But just in terms of evaluation, Ron is not a digital person. His digital set up is very basic and he has made no attempt to optimize it. So visiting him to evaluate with CDs and streaming will not allow people to evaluate his system as it should be set up, for analog. Sure it will be fun and you might pick up something new, like planning for a future move to tape. So readers should also keep that in mind while reading reviews
Yes, I considered listening to digital more of a diagnostic exercise, even though it was for some musical enjoyment as well. To get a full measure of the strengths of the system, tape was the go-to source.