NAT preamps have a full bodied muscular sound but not a sweet fuzzy sound. Dynamics on the NAT Plasma I had were huge and soundstage was deep and wide. Great preamp actually. It was also true dual mono including the tube rectification and tube regulation it had in the power supply. One of the few pieces I wish I had kept.
Aries Cerat also has a very robust, bottom up, structural sound that also happens to have explosive dynamics with tons of resolution and detail as well. The sound is so stable that you probably never realized it was not totally stable before you hear it with an AC preamp.

I also had and loved an amazing Silvaweld SWC1000 preamp, which ultimately was on the sweeter end but damn it sounded good.
I would second the impera ... to me it's presentation is exactly what Ron is after.. I have the sig and am a happy camper
 
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Which line stage preamplifier do you think is the most tonally "dense" and full-bodied?

Lamm LL1.1 Signature ... in a natural way.

It is neither tubey warm nor solid-state dry; if it has a leaning it is just a wee bit toward the sweet, with meat on the bones. Those are audiophile words. If you know the sound of different acoustic instruments -- from the wet breathy grunt of a baritone sax, to the brassy rasp and growl of a lower octave trombone, to the attack of bow on cello string through the duration of its bloom to its dying resonance after lift -- the LL1.1 Sig offers the loudness, pitch and timbre representative of how the instrument is played by its performer.
 
For many people the lack of a remote control is a dealbreaker. It is not a dealbreaker for me.

For me it is a bit problematic that the Lamm LL1.1 Signature is a single-ended only design, and the Io sounds best using its balanced output. (The LL1.1 Signature has an XLR output connector, but it is "balanced" with only a transformer, and not with a true differential circuit.)

I think the output impedance specification of 16,500 ohms is a typo.

The Jadis, also, is single-ended only, with no remote control.
 
I would second the impera ... to me it's presentation is exactly what Ron is after.. I have the sig and am a happy camper
One review suggested the Incito S is a bit warmer and fuller-bodied than the Impera?
 
Microstrip was selling his Lamm LL 1.1 Sig. I do not know if he still has it. I am not aware of anyone using it with a non Lamm amplifier.
A friend of mine in New Jersey in the 1990s and 2000s used an all-Jadis electronics chain. At some point he switched from the JP200 to the LL1.1.
 
One review suggested the Incito S is a bit warmer and fuller-bodied than the Impera?
I had the incito in for a demo... it is a great value pre .. a friend has the impera ref .. I would say there is quite a step up at each level .. considering the usual law of diminishing returns.
This is particularly the case for "full bodieness" ... orchestral music has more of that low end power that you hear live
If you have an opportunity to demo them it's worth the effort
 

Microstrip was selling his Lamm LL 1.1 Sig. I do not know if he still has it. I am not aware of anyone using it with a non Lamm amplifier.

I thought I saw on a Euro site that he sold it. Might have been the original LL1

edit: The topology of the gain stage of the LL1.1 is modeled after the output stage on the ML3. The do go together well.
 
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For me it is a bit problematic that the Lamm LL1.1 Signature is a single-ended only design, and the Io sounds best using its balanced output. (The LL1.1 Signature has an XLR output connector, but it is "balanced" with only a transformer, and not with a true differential circuit.)

psuedo balanced XLR out
pin 1 = signal ground
pin 2 = signal output
pin 3 = not connected.

I think the output impedance specification of 16,500 ohms is a typo.

The manual says the input impedance is 16.5 KOhms. Why do you think it is a typo?
 
Microstrip was selling his Lamm LL 1.1 Sig. I do not know if he still has it. I am not aware of anyone using it with a non Lamm amplifier.
It’s mine now.;) And it’s the original LL1 Signature.
 
Smart guy , i d love to hear it

This is the moment in Once upon a time in the west were charles bronson says .

"End of the line " ( products in this case ) :cool:

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This was a complete backstep in Sergei Leone's career, given how great GBU was. Kind of like those audio upgrades where they start budget, then go up a few models till they design an absolute best of, and then try and "upgrade" from that and lose the magic.
 
This was a complete backstep in Sergei Leone's career, given how great GBU was. Kind of like those audio upgrades where they start budget, then go up a few models till they design an absolute best of, and then try and "upgrade" from that and lose the magic.

No ....
One of my favourites of all time
i actually saw the wild west the past 2 weeks during my South dakota / minnesota trip. :cool:
 

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One of my favourites of all time
i actually saw the wild west the past 2 weeks during my South dakota / minnesota trip. :cool:
It is of a much lower quality than GBU.
 
For many people the lack of a remote control is a dealbreaker. It is not a dealbreaker for me.

For me it is a bit problematic that the Lamm LL1.1 Signature is a single-ended only design, and the Io sounds best using its balanced output. (The LL1.1 Signature has an XLR output connector, but it is "balanced" with only a transformer, and not with a true differential circuit.)

I think the output impedance specification of 16,500 ohms is a typo.

The Jadis, also, is single-ended only, with no remote control.

A little light reading for you , Of course *some* will say that is just Romy being Romy , well I tend to look past the somewhat eccentric delivery and focus on the message that he is conveying .

http://www.goodsoundclub.com/Forums/ShowPost.aspx?PageIndex=1&postID=10521#10521
 
LOL! Romy, the Don Rickles of audio:
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It is of a much lower quality than GBU.
+1
but once upon in the west was the first film where every character had his own music in the movie. Leone has paved the way since then it has been copied many times with success. A Milestone in the film history It takes 14 minutes until the first word is spoken.
 
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but once upon in the west was the first film where every character had his own music in the movie. Leone has paved the way since then it has been copied many times with success. A Milestone in the film history It takes 14 minutes until the first word is spoken.
Sure but he already made his mark with Ennio Morricone in the movies before that. Once upon a time in America was better than in the West. In fact it was quite good just gets a bit lost in the middle.

GBU also opens with that scene with a dog, then ugly, so there are a few minutes until first word is spoken. In Once upon a time in the West he just tried to further the boundaries, with the slow scene and lots of music, and did worse. You can't improve on perfection. This happens in audio too. A designer gets a perfect model then tries an upgrade.
 

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