I think I'm going to have the opportunity to audition in-house a Nagra HD pre-amp. This came about just today.

It's going to be a duel to the death (ah, order line) between Aries Cerat Incito S and Nagra HD! One stays; one goes!

So Ron … another of your equipment shoutouts featuring a significant disparity between relative retail price per unit !

Nagra HD @ $65.900 vs Aries Cerat Incito S @ $21,000 .

Somewhere nearer cost parity would take you two levels further up the Aries Cerat line with the Impera II Sig @ $60,000 .

I would hope that in the interests of completeness that you will contact Joshua and arrange with him to borrow his Aries Cerat Virgo Legend ? which would be somewhere in keeping with your RRP ratio with the Nagra HD @ $65,900 vs the Virgo @ $ 155.000 .

The build quality of the Nagra appears to be exemplary, btw … as one might expect .
 
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This part of Nagra's description gives a sense of the engineering effort:

The HD PREAMP has the best specifications ever achieved by any tube preamplifier, a floor noise lower than -160 dB and 5 Hz to 200kHz frequency response with perfect phase integrity. The impedance input is 50 k Ohm and the output impedance is as low as 0.2 Ohm so that you can drive any amplifier on the market.

The HD PREAMP is able to accurately reproduce a square wave at 16 Hz.
 
This part of Nagra's description gives a sense of the engineering effort:

The HD PREAMP has the best specifications ever achieved by any tube preamplifier, a floor noise lower than -160 dB and 5 Hz to 200kHz frequency response with perfect phase integrity. The impedance input is 50 k Ohm and the output impedance is as low as 0.2 Ohm so that you can drive any amplifier on the market.

The HD PREAMP is able to accurately reproduce a square wave at 16 Hz.
The low output impedance is good for my system, but otherwise I could not care less about specs.
 
So Ron … another of your equipment shoutouts featuring a significant disparity between relative retail price per unit !

The name of this forum is What's Best, not What's Most Expensive.

I think the VTL TL-7.5 Series III is one of the very best preamps ever made. But for my ears, in my current system, and for my single issue focus on "liquidity" I preferred personally the one-third as expensive Trafomatic Audio Lara.
 
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The name of this forum is What's Best, not What's Most Expensive.

And yet for the most part the corollary between RRP and the levels of R&D , parts quality , build quality etcetera , tends to prove the status quo with regard to the costings built into a specific item of audio electronics , which again for the most part tends to relate to levels of fidelity … will exceptions to that hypothesis manifest themselves , of course, however less the norm than the converse imho .
 
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And yet for the most part the corollary between RRP and the levels of R&D , parts quality , build quality etcetera , tends to prove the status quo with regard to the costings built into a specific item of audio electronics
Yes, of course I agree that more expensive parts and materials and machining and beta-testing and quality control pushes up the MSRP.

which again for the most part tends to relate to levels of fidelity …
I do not agree.
 
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This part of Nagra's description gives a sense of the engineering effort:

The HD PREAMP has the best specifications ever achieved by any tube preamplifier, a floor noise lower than -160 dB and 5 Hz to 200kHz frequency response with perfect phase integrity. The impedance input is 50 k Ohm and the output impedance is as low as 0.2 Ohm so that you can drive any amplifier on the market.

The HD PREAMP is able to accurately reproduce a square wave at 16 Hz.
:D Guessing there's a misprint. A resistor by itself does not have a noise floor that low. FWIW if you cut off at 5Hz reproducing a 16 Hz square wave without tilt isn't possible.

The preamp in my system is all-tube, has bandwidth from 2Hz to 400KHz, can also drive any amp made (+10dBm, which is by definition a 600 Ohm load). It costs about a 1/3rd of what the Nagra does and features a patented direct-coupled balanced output.
The name of this forum is What's Best, not What's Most Expensive.
Yes- high end audio is driven by intention, not price.
And yet for the most part the corollary between RRP and the levels of R&D , parts quality , build quality etcetera , tends to prove the status quo with regard to the costings built into a specific item of audio electronics , which again for the most part tends to relate to levels of fidelity … will exceptions to that hypothesis manifest themselves , of course, however less the norm than the converse imho .
Or its just priced to what the market will bear; AKA the Veblen Effect.
 
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I do not agree.
So you do not expect much of a delta in fidelity were you to compare the copper windings , aluminium cantilever and conical stylus of an Ortofon SPU Classic G MKII … with your Opus 1’s boron cantilever , polished semi line contact stylus with advanced design and materials throughout?
 
So… your MA-1 models are merely a product of the Veblen effect over your M60 models ? Have you explained your pricing model to your customers?
The MA-1 is more expensive to build so its price reflects that- it takes a lot more time to wire (all hand-wired), has beefier power supplies, more power tubes, more tubes in the driver section and a larger chassis of thicker material with welded and ground corners that's considerably more expensive to build.

We price according to a formula rather than what the market will bear. This results in our products being less expensive than our competition. Veblen products are typically priced to what the market will bear. When I first read about this economic rule, the example given was college tuition. At first, to gain enrollment, colleges tried reducing the cost of tuition. But they found that enrollment decreased. So they raised prices to increase enrollment.

There are always products priced to a formula. In the bicycle world, back in the 1970s Shimano and Campagnolo were the high end spread and they price to what the market will bear (and still do). Along came SunTour, who had an innovation that allowed their derailleurs to shift faster, easier and were more reliable. SunTour priced to a formula so their parts were regarded as 'less value' despite measurements showing how much better their derailleurs actually were. But because of their lower price their products wound up on a lot more bicycles.

High end audio is never about price; anyone thinking so is bound to spend more money due to the illusion of the Veblen Effect. High End audio is about the intention of the product to be high end. That is why Tandy Corp bought out Linaeum so they could use the tweeter technology on a pair of speakers that were less than $500/pair, which got good reviews in the high end press.
 
So you do not expect much of a delta in fidelity were you to compare the copper windings , aluminium cantilever and conical stylus of an Ortofon SPU Classic G MKII … with your Opus 1’s boron cantilever , polished semi line contact stylus with advanced design and materials throughout?
It depends on one's personal, subjective sonic definition of "fidelity."

I am extremely happy with the Opus 1. Someone who likes the original Lyra Atlas would not like the Opus 1.

The Neumann cartridge devotees would say "no" in answer to your question (if you were asking about Neumann as the vintage example).
 
The name of this forum is What's Best, not What's Most Expensive.

Unfortunately if properly used more money gives us better sound.
I admit that if I could spend more I would have a better system. Do you also feel the same about you?

I think the VTL TL-7.5 Series III is one of the very best preamps ever made.

At more than $40k it should be - if we like the type of sound it carries with it. Disclaimer - I also have one, although I am trying to sell it.

But for my ears, in my current system, and for my single issue focus on "liquidity" I preferred personally the half as expensive Trafomatic Audio Lara.

Used with my conrad johnson tube amplifiers in my system I even prefer the five times less expensive conrad johnson CT5 . But the five times more expensive conrad johnson GAT2 sounds much better!

IMO Whatsbestforum.com is now also a brand name, probably very valuable because it is associated with expensive audio gear.
 
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The Neumann cartridge devotees would say "no" in answer to your question (if you were asking about Neumann as the vintage example).

I was not Ron … I was referring to an Ortofon SPU G at ballpark 1k dollar and the sum of its parts , as compared to the same comprising your Opus 1 .
 
Me neither.
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The MA-1 is more expensive to build so its price reflects that- it takes a lot more time to wire (all hand-wired), has beefier power supplies, more power tubes, more tubes in the driver section and a larger chassis of thicker material with welded and ground corners that's considerably more expensive to build.

We price according to a formula rather than what the market will bear. This results in our products being less expensive than our competition. Veblen products are typically priced to what the market will bear. When I first read about this economic rule, the example given was college tuition. At first, to gain enrollment, colleges tried reducing the cost of tuition. But they found that enrollment decreased. So they raised prices to increase enrollment.

There are always products priced to a formula. In the bicycle world, back in the 1970s Shimano and Campagnolo were the high end spread and they price to what the market will bear (and still do). Along came SunTour, who had an innovation that allowed their derailleurs to shift faster, easier and were more reliable. SunTour priced to a formula so their parts were regarded as 'less value' despite measurements showing how much better their derailleurs actually were. But because of their lower price their products wound up on a lot more bicycles.

High end audio is never about price; anyone thinking so is bound to spend more money due to the illusion of the Veblen Effect. High End audio is about the intention of the product to be high end. That is why Tandy Corp bought out Linaeum so they could use the tweeter technology on a pair of speakers that were less than $500/pair, which got good reviews in the high end press.
Errrr … Kinda what I was eluding to No ?
 
If true he hasn’t realised it so far so let him enjoy - he will say it is all subjective anyway
Actually, wisenheimer, I have one particular track that is great for checking phase. This AC preamp is phase correct.
 

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