Sounds excellent. Space plus speakers a good match it would seem from the flatland YouTube perspective.
Ron’s New System
- Thread starter Ron Resnick
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Checking progress... I don't know that music. Do you believe the video is representative of the best you hear in your room?
I am not trying to prove anything in particular with these videos or demonstrate anything in particular with these videos. I don't think any of the videos captures the width and depth and separation I am hearing on the best recordings.
Recording-wise and sound quality-wise I always thought Born to Run, an album I grew up with and I totally love, is a hot mess -- multi-track, overdubbing, bad micing -- just a mess.
In the room the songs sound like less of a mess than I have ever heard them before. Springsteen's voice sounds more like a real human than I have ever heard from these songs before. His voice cuts through the mass of sounds more powerfully than I have heard before.
I was listening to what claims to be a production master from a vinyl record plant. It was the best I have ever heard Born to Run sound. I loved it. I can listen to this without being frustrated and turned off by the sound quality of the playback. I am loving tape.
If I actually was listening to a production master tape think about how much closer this tape is to the original mixed-down master recording than is the commercial CBS Records vinyl pressing.
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I am not hearing the upper midrange energy/brightness on the tapes either at all, or not nearly as much, as I am hearing it on vinyl.
Yeah, in general I take videos as a description at the level they are made rather than as a proof.
Okay - so you like what you're hearing in your room from that LP. And you did not describe any gross disparity from the video. I think that answers my question. I'll speculate you believe you are making progres with the setup. Thanks for the update.
this one the music is spiky and toppy. Not that I am familiar with the recording. Vocals sound fine. Again I don’t know if they get better across other systems but with these vocals I could listen and enjoy the Boss. The Dave Brubeck tape was better than this one
STill with the Denon TT? When is your AS-2000 being setup?
Bob Ludwig recently completed a remaster of 7 of his albums. I have read the albums were remastered by engineers Bob Ludwig and Toby Scott using brand new transfers from the original analogue masters using the Plangent Process playback system. Also available on vinyl. Be curious if you ever hear them how you think they fare.
The Album Collection Vol. 1 1973-1984 includes:
Greetings From Asbury Park, N.J. (1973)
The Wild, The Innocent and The E Street Shuffle (1973)
Born To Run (1975)
Darkness On The Edge Of Town (1978)
The River (1980)
Nebraska (1982)
Born In The U.S.A. (1984)
I thought this is the best I have heard BTR, DOTEOT, BITUSA sound on digital. I preferred them to the Japanese CDs, etc that I have acquired from time to time.
Your Denon and Hana are "just" very good mid-fi, I guess
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Sorry, I truly did not think I was evading your question.
1) I wrote above: "I don't think any of the videos captures the width and depth and separation I am hearing on the best recordings." So, for me, this is a significant disparity between when I'm hearing in the room and when I hear from the video. This is because the openness and spaciousness of planars is one of the main reasons I like them, and one of the main reasons I am willing to forgo other desireable sonic attributes from other types of loudspeakers.
2) I hear a consistent dryness/digital-ness between the pure analog playback I here in the room versus what I hear over the iPhone.
I do not believe I (ah, the system) have (has) made any progress in the last couple of weeks, as nothing has changed.
Sorry, I truly did not think I was evading your question.
1) I wrote above: "I don't think any of the videos captures the width and depth and separation I am hearing on the best recordings." So, for me, this is a significant disparity between when I'm hearing in the room and when I hear from the video. This is because the openness and spaciousness of planars is one of the main reasons I like them, and one of the main reasons I am willing to forgo other desireable sonic attributes from other types of loudspeakers.
2) I hear a consistent dryness/digital-ness between the pure analog playback I here in the room versus what I hear over the iPhone.
I do not believe I (ah, the system) have (has) made any progress in the last couple of weeks, as nothing has changed.
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The mere fact that I could really enjoy the vocal was the revelation here for me. The vocal on this song on tape simply sounds more like a singer in the room than I have ever heard the vocal on any vinyl.
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learning to enjoy one’s system is a debate of is it a good recording or is my system messing this up.
many good systems still have a sweet spot in tracks.
and various formats meaning tape or vinyl is also hard to get right both in one system
then add digital it can become chasing one’s tail
many good systems still have a sweet spot in tracks.
and various formats meaning tape or vinyl is also hard to get right both in one system
then add digital it can become chasing one’s tail
Bruce B
WBF Founding Member, Pro Audio Production Member
I do hope folks know that the Plangent Process is an AD/DA conversion... just like Mo-fi did....
Hi Bruce,
Not sure what that means in technical implications. Do you like the Plangent Process? I recall that the Grateful Dead use it, and a lot of their albums sound fantastic. I am sure a good part of that is the original recording...but as a complete non-techie, I do remember they always made the note of their use of this Plangent Process.
Bruce B
WBF Founding Member, Pro Audio Production Member
The Plangent Process samples the Bias Freq of the tape machine to "speed adjust", or to take out the wow/flutter... They do that in the digital domain at a high sampling rate. The files I sent to them didn't impress me.... maybe because the Studer machines that it was recorded on don't have problems with wow/flutter?
when posters talk about what they hear in their system, there are so many variables at play that drive response types. in this case with Ron, he has been in very heavy investigation mode in his 'new' system, and mostly invited critiques. so Ron has hardened his bunker to withstand the barrage of advice, comments, digs......to sift through them for some useful actionable advice. and we see him use some of it already.
and i think Ron enjoys, as i enjoy, discussion of his system. we are all mostly like that. it's a part of the hobby that is satisfying.
sharp teeth and daggers might contain some insights too. personally when i built my room, then discussed my progress for 10 years, lots of times feedback was painful....and i was in denial. but eventually my brain did process and consider it, and it helped me to move forward. mostly. there are lines most of us don't cross.
i view the process as healthy. obviously it's up to the system owner posting about their system to suggest their appetite for critical comments. the community is typically gentle with newer posters. we try to be encouraging. i asked for blunt comments, mostly i got bouquets. but over time i did get more direct unfiltered comments. and glad i did. we are all human and like to hear nice things. and our systems are personal.
normal stuff.
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Tube Swapping Friday!
I replaced the new production Electro-Harmonix 12BH7AEH stock tubes with NOS RCA 12BH7A grey plates.
I replaced the new production Electro-Harmonix 12BH7AEH stock tubes with NOS RCA 12BH7A grey plates.
Probably a very good move…EH tubes are usually not very impressive