Are you proposing that your CN-191 ‘s are consummate speakers for all genres ? Having owned them well before you … and I suspect before your ‘dealer’ who sold them to you , I can most assuredly attest that they are not !
Ron's Favorite Private Rooms + Systems of All Time
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Are you proposing that your CN-191 ‘s are consummate speakers for all genres ? Having owned them well before you … and I suspect before your ‘dealer’ who sold them to you , I can most assuredly attest that they are not !
I agree the comparison does not make much sense. I was seeking to disprove Peter's comment that "the set up is as important as the gear."
Can you explain why, exactly?
I found the big Boulder amp and preamp and Transparent Opus cabling on Alexx V in a very familiar system to truncate harmonic information and transients, and to sound dry, bloodless and emotionally uninvolving.
Grip and drive are not sonic attributes that matter to me, so I'm not sure what to say here.
The bigger room should sound bigger. I would hope acoustic treatment would make a room sound bigger and more spacious, and not smaller.
I think set up is critically important. I have said and written many times that I think many audiophiles have systems whose sub-optimal set up is depriving them of the opportunity to realize the promise of their expensive components.
My point to Peter was that even perfect set up is not going to endow bookshelf speakers in a small room with the believability of an elaborate system in a big room.
I think we are applying different metrics.
When you first plop the speakers symmetrically somewhere in the front of the room, somewhere in front of the front wall and a little bit inside from the side walls, and start playing the system, what percentage are you up to right there? I'm considering that rough starting position to be something like 40 or 50%, but you might be considering that to be five or 10%.
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I don't know what "against the interests of the room" means. Does this mean placing planar dipole speakers against the front wall when they're supposed to be well into the room?
Does this mean placing speakers against the short wall when they are designed to be in front of the long wall?
But we can add this to our compiled list of Roman pronouncements which sound important, but which are substantially incorrect.
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You are arguing against a position that set up is more important than the gear, but I never wrote that and do not think that.
I am arguing that you need all three for superior results. And I only brought that up because I don’t see you mentioning it in your list of favorite rooms+systems. Perhaps you’re taking it for granted and assuming that the set ups must be top quality for you to identify these specific rooms and systems. My point is that you cannot take set up for granted. It is essential.
Why would you try to make a point to me and convince me about something I never claimed? The room, the gear, and the set up are all essential for superior results. A bookshelf speaker will never be able to present what is possible from the very best combinations.
Perfect speaker position has no relation to favorite music type.
I agree with that but that’s not what I referred to. How do you find the right speaker and position it without listening to it proper music. Unless you are buying purely on measurements and design philosophy
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I am in the setup is incredibly important camp. Of course everything matters but if you don't get the setup right you won't get your moneys worth.
Interesting that you used Wilson as an example. My experience with them has mainly been at the Munich shows. "Meh" might be charitable from most of what I have heard, although a few years back the CH room which featured Wilson's sounded really, really good! I guess my point would be that if you can afford Wilson's you would be crazy not to invest in proper setup by someone knowledgeable!
It might if you're playing girl and guitar music.
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It probably means positioning speakers inappropriately to what the room has to offer. But I think you knew that.
True enough but some exhibitors manage to get descent sound out of their system. While others, no matter the presumed merit of their system just can't get things together. While I would make no final judgement it does make one wonder.
Sometimes it is something as simple as a desensitized disc jockey playing everything to loud. Especially bad in thin walled venues.
Have to agree with you, through trial and error we become more knowledgeable and can become experts in our own environment. Some new learning or advice along the way is not likely to be harmful though.
A well set up Devore orangutan with NAF 2a3 sounds much more believable than XVX, Rockport etc.
It doesn’t sound close to trios, dual FLHs, etc
There may be only one of them. Fremer's was the prototype iirc. I had a sense he was not as enthusiastic about it as he was the Continuum.
Fremer’s OMA K3 was spray painted black and looks like a work in progress. The one in this photo looks silver.
Yes, I had productive advice from my speaker manufacturer and from friends during set-up..
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