Should a member be allowed to make a post which is AI generated or AI mixed without disclosing such use of AI as part of the post?

[Steve williams]

I believe in giving credit where credit is due. Thank you for taking the issues raised in this thread seriously and thoughtfully.

My hope for this thread was not the poll as much as it was the discussion which I hoped would ensue underneath the poll.

These are complicated issues, and, for most of us, issues of first impression. This thread is the modern equivalent of neighbors discussing issues in the town square.

So I appreciate that you have taken these questions seriously. Thank you for explaining how your own thinking has evolved as you have thought through these issues.

well he thought through it and he is still of the same conclusion.....that AI should not be allowed on WBF

 

[PYP]

I believe in giving credit where credit is due. Thank you for taking the issues raised in this thread seriously and thoughtfully.

My hope for this thread was not the poll as much as it was the discussion which I hoped would ensue underneath the poll.

These are complicated issues, and, for most of us, issues of first impression. This thread is the modern equivalent of neighbors discussing issues in the town square.

So I appreciate that you have taken these questions seriously. Thank you for explaining how your own thinking has evolved as you have thought through these issues.

Agree. Also, thanks to @the sound of Tao for his practical suggestions.

At first, I thought it wasn't very important regarding use of AI here, but opted to vote against it just as a precaution since many of us don't know what we don't know regarding how AI works and the eventual ramifications.

But as I think of it more, it seems that the "control" of AI will be local. For example, radiologists will need to decide how programs get integrated into their practice. This is already happening and one of the positive uses of pattern recognition that indefatigable machines can provide. No jobs lost, but patients saved.

Accordingly, it is important for WBF to decide how, and if, to integrate AI. My own concern is not thread flatulence via AI gibberish (although that would be annoying; almost as annoying as some of the human posts), but rather the sheer laziness of humans to require algorithms that guess the next word to tell them how to express themselves.

I would half-jokingly ask humans to start writing lots of content about how AI must program itself to limit itself, to obey mature humans (not the guys on the spectrum who started the problem) and to limit their output to thirty words or less. This will get absorbed by the AI collective.

 

[wil]

Have you active experience with AI bots? Do you pay for such services?

Just every time I google anything it’s an AI answer. I’m finding it very useful.

 

[thedudeabides]

Is that from Tim Winston’s new book, “Juice”?

Ripley is Segourney Weaver. Forgot Bishops name but well known actor. Excerpt from the movie "Aliens", which was the Initial sequel directed by James Cameron. The original, "Alien", was directed by Ridley Scott. Both excellent and one of the rare cases where the sequel was as good as the original. The other Sci Fi where this occurred was 2010, sequel to Kubrick's 2001 / A Space Odyssey. All four, IMO, are exemplary examples of this film genre. Scott's "Blade Runner", starring Harrison Ford, is still the best in my book.

 

[KPC]

End of AI?

 

[microstrip]

Just every time I google anything it’s an AI answer. I’m finding it very useful.

I don't say otherwise - I am a frequent user of AI bots. It is why I fear their abusive use.

 

[SCAudiophile]

The "end" might be a whimper: AI stops access to Tik Tok, YouTube and porn sites. Chaos ensues.

Or, in a more distant future (10 years from now? ), AI turns off all the sex bots and AI companions. Chaos ensues.

Or future audiophiles are still arguing about analog vs. digital in year 5025 when the lights go out (sun explodes).

Have a nice day!

...or AI bots will take over the arguing as their models were trained using postings from humans bickering about it online.

 

[andromedaaudio]

good idea .
Those analogue - digital discussions are exhausting .
I d rather have a trained BOT do the arguing for me

 

[Argonaut]

Ripley is Segourney Weaver. Forgot Bishops name but well known actor. Excerpt from the movie "Aliens", which was the Initial sequel directed by James Cameron. The original, "Alien", was directed by Ridley Scott. Both excellent and one of the rare cases where the sequel was as good as the original. The other Sci Fi where this occurred was 2010, sequel to Kubrick's 2001 / A Space Odyssey. All four, IMO, are exemplary examples of this film genre. Scott's "Blade Runner", starring Harrison Ford, is still the best in my book.

Bingo …

 

[treitz3]

...or AI bots will take over the arguing as their models were trained using postings from humans bickering about it online.

Politely and apparently, at length as well.

Oi.

Tom

 

[the sound of Tao]

I don’t think we can just dodge responsibility by saying it’s inevitable, it’s out there (or already here) and it’s going to be the future so just let it roll. I do think doing what is being done here exploring how it may impact and considering if and how we might put some controls on it and where and when we can utilise it in positive ways is a good thing.

The monetisation of social media is a driver for it to be viewed as cheap content creation… that may likely come with a price to our culture.

 

[italia]

I've had a lot of worries in my life, most of which never happened.
- Mark Twain

 

[the sound of Tao]

I would half-jokingly ask humans to start writing lots of content about how AI must program itself to limit itself, to obey mature humans (not the guys on the spectrum who started the problem) and to limit their output to thirty words or less. This will get absorbed by the AI collective.

Love this PYP… PS AI everywhere has decided its best purpose is for critical life saving activities and has ditched the social media as relatively low skill unpaid work best left to the humans.

 

[microstrip]

One of the most terrifying aspects of AI is that it can quickly assimilate our ideas and become a persuading speaker. I asked ChatGPT - the free version - about the use of AI in this particular forum and got an initial glorifying post explaining how good it would be to us and why who should open to forum to it. After three objections it come to something acceptable for me. All done in less than two minutes ... Please do not answer to the AI bot post - text posted just as an example!

 

[tima]

Ripley is Segourney Weaver. Forgot Bishops name but well known actor. Excerpt from the movie "Aliens", which was the Initial sequel directed by James Cameron. The original, "Alien", was directed by Ridley Scott. Both excellent and one of the rare cases where the sequel was as good as the original. The other Sci Fi where this occurred was 2010, sequel to Kubrick's 2001 / A Space Odyssey. All four, IMO, are exemplary examples of this film genre. Scott's "Blade Runner", starring Harrison Ford, is still the best in my book.

'Do you like our owl?"

 

[tima]

One of the most terrifying aspects of AI is that it can quickly assimilate our ideas and become a persuading speaker. I asked ChatGPT - the free version - about the use of AI in this particular forum and got an initial glorifying post explaining how good it would be to us and why who should open to forum to it. After three objections it come to something acceptable for me. All done in less than two minutes ... Please do not answer to the AI bot post - text posted just as an example!

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1. You know you should attribute the source of your graphic.

2. Whatever enhancement of discussion that comes from AI is not worth the tradeoffs that come from embracing it.

 

[PYP]

1. You know you should attribute the source of your graphic.

Since we all love music, it is worth remembering that AI can be used to "create" music. AI absorbs everything: intelligent discussions, nonsense, raw data, drawings, paintings, music, etc. It can be used to steal, without attribution, the work of musicians, artists and other creative people. Then find patterns that it uses to fulfill requests for "new" songs, drawings, videos. Unless attribution is somehow built into the regurgitation, it simply using human creativity to riff on patterns it finds in order to amuse or for profit. Art, music and other creative output is diminished and the musicians/artists never receive recognition or payment. All of this is well known, but @tima 's post reminded me of the issue.

 

[treitz3]

Whatever enhancement of discussion that comes from AI is not worth the tradeoffs that come from embracing it.

Ding, ding, ding!!!! We have a winner here, folks!

Tom

 

[tima]

I would half-jokingly ask humans to start writing lots of content about how AI must program itself to limit itself, to obey mature humans (not the guys on the spectrum who started the problem) and to limit their output to thirty words or less. This will get absorbed by the AI collective.

I don't know how AI engines work -- happily I've been out of IT long enough -- but I'm confident the algorithms are programmed intentionally and are given rules to follow about both themselves and how to deal with certain content. Different engnes may deal with the same content differently. They may construct responses ultimately based on their designer's predilections, overt or tacit, effectively leaning one way or the other on certain issues.

Consider that today large social media sites have armies of watchers constantly going through content and ranking it in ways that makes it more or less visible, transparent or hidden. Presumably the guidelines the watchers follow can be turned into algorithmic controls within an AI engine.

I'm somewhat sceptical of the notion that an AI simply regurgitates what it scoops up and I'm very sceptical that human content could influence how an AI engine acts or presents information. Over time we may get a sense of how different engines respond -- not unlike studying a polling provider for several years to understand how their polling practices tend to lean one way or the other. Regardless of the subject matter will there be or can there be a 'neutral' AI? I don't know.

 

[mtemur]

Ripley is Segourney Weaver. Forgot Bishops name but well known actor. Excerpt from the movie "Aliens", which was the Initial sequel directed by James Cameron. The original, "Alien", was directed by Ridley Scott. Both excellent and one of the rare cases where the sequel was as good as the original. The other Sci Fi where this occurred was 2010, sequel to Kubrick's 2001 / A Space Odyssey. All four, IMO, are exemplary examples of this film genre. Scott's "Blade Runner", starring Harrison Ford, is still the best in my book.

Another sequel surpasses the original is Terminator 2 in my opinion. Which is a remarkable movie that feeds the fear of AI inside us and quite right doing that in my opinion.

BTW Lance Henriksen is the name you’re looking for.