Should a member be allowed to make a post which is AI generated or AI mixed without disclosing such use of AI as part of the post?

[microstrip]

Please explain. Are you suggesting that posts get "screened" for acceptance before going on line?

Yes, we can have a "preview" function that diagnoses our post showing if it has AI detected content. We can however ignore it and post - moderators get a notification and will deal with it.

Since long universities gave their students access to plagiarism checkers - by far the best way to prevent it! Surely teachers also got them . Now AI renders them obsolete ...

 

[thedudeabides]

Yes, we can have a "preview" function that diagnoses our post showing if it has AI detected content. We can however ignore it and post - moderators get a notification and will deal with it.

I have no intention of using AI in my posts. I have no reason to have my posts screened for such. The only purpose of a "preview" function is for someone who deliberately wants to use AI, which you obviously want to do, and allow it to be a part of your post.

 

[KPC]

Seems the decision boils down to:
1) What’s the allowable level of AI
2) Enforcement of #1

With rapidly changing landscape as AI is being established, seems a lot of flexibility is needed for both - a decision today may not apply tomorrow

I’m also concerned that #2 enforcement might morph into a time consuming high effort in this changing landscape.

Most other concerns are speculative, which may not apply to decisions today.

Is AI good or bad? Too soon to draw solid conclusions

 

[microstrip]

I have no intention of using AI in my posts. I have no reason to have my posts screened for such. The only purpose of a "preview" function is for someone who is deliberately wants to use AI, which you obviously want to do, and allow it to be a part of your post.

You are misunderstanding my (and many people) intentions - we can use AI and write our own posts. There is an huge difference between proper use of AI and using it to generate posts.

Today I used AI to find and know about a sound engineer (Jonathan Allen) after listening to an wonderful recording pointed by member godowealth https://www.whatsbestforum.com/thre...-30-year-odyssey-fulfilled.39435/post-1030670 .

Asking judicious questions I learned a lot of interesting things in a few minutes. Imagine I had used what I read to write - me , not the AI bot in its charming style - a small post on it later. IMO this is legitim and welcome use of AI.

Surely I could have got the same information just googling for one or two hours and reading the usual sites. Would you feel better?

 

[thedudeabides]

It is not about me. You are deflecting.

 

[microstrip]

It is not about me. You are deflecting.

You posted, you got the answer ...

 

[the sound of Tao]

It would seem to replace cognition with the bonfire of the algorithms.

Nice one Tim. Is this level of usage a feature that goes missing with the processed homogenisation of AI? High end abstraction in the conversation, originality, nuance, humour??

OMG if AI can do comedy the world probably won’t even need the British any more!!

An audiophile friend sent me an example of fantasy art (don't know what is actually called) that a buddy had made by explaining very specifically to the AI what he wanted. It was quite impressive. But it is based upon the creative work of many, many original artists. If it for the artist's amusement that seems fine. What about if he sells it?

Great example of the difference between what is art and what is craft… digital drawing is not unlike analogue drawing and is still a function of us and a direct expression of the function and flow from mind and hand, it can bypass analysis and connect through artistry and expression and like hand drafting can just as easily be technical and can snap back and forth between these two functional drivers.

However expressing a concept via a tick box of text and pushing a button to turn it into a crafted image or a tune… it’s not just about stripping the soul out of creation, or fraud, it’s robbing the individual of experience and the opportunity to perhaps grow.

Same in our crafting language, surely we grow from this. To outsource that experience of crafting and creation is just to rob ourselves.

 

[Iamrael]

Would it be a viable option or consideration to use the level or status of any given member (“Paid Advertiser”, “Expert”, “Dealer”, etc.) as a determining factor in requiring either full disclosure or banning the use of AI all together?

(……Maybe even just as a starting point and expanding as things work through)

 

[Holmz]

The question becomes, where does the slippery slope begin of what is AI and what not?

Sometimes when I write a long post (like for a review) I compose in in Microsoft Word. If its algorithm, a very basic form of AI as it were, suggests different wording or grammar while I write and I adjust the text based on that (often by rewriting the sentence myself), doesn't count as support by AI, thus at least as "mixed" AI? Did I use AI without disclosing it?

Dear Gawd… again?

Generative AI is different from MS Word, Excel, Autopilots, middle guidance, cruise control, ship PID controllers for steering, etc.

Using a spellchecker to clean up grammar and spelling would be intelligent, but not AI.

 

[Holmz]

Steve, you seem to want feedback from and transparency for the membership.
…
… I suggest you alone write the new policy using your best judgement. .

Disclosure I used ChatGPT to write it (Should have used a spellchecker like word to catch the missing second word “Write.”:

Please a forum policy statement that forbids the use of AI unless its use is disclosed

The ChatGPT answer:

Policy on AI-Generated Content

To uphold the integrity and authenticity of our community discussions, we require all members to disclose the use of AI-generated content in their posts. This includes text, images, code snippets, or any other material produced or significantly modified by artificial intelligence tools.


Guidelines:

1. Disclosure: Clearly indicate any AI-generated content within your post. For example, you might state, “This response was generated with the assistance of [AI Tool Name].â€

2. Accuracy: Ensure that AI-generated content is accurate and relevant to the discussion. Members are responsible for verifying the information before posting.

3. Originality: Do not rely solely on AI-generated content. Strive to contribute your own insights and perspectives to foster genuine engagement.

4. Respect: Ensure that AI-generated content adheres to our community standards, avoiding any material that could be considered offensive, misleading, or inappropriate.


Enforcement:

Failure to disclose AI-generated content or misuse of such material may result in moderation actions, including content removal or account suspension, in accordance with our forum guidelines.

Looks like it (AI) can be embraced for at least writing forum rules.

 

[PeterA]

Am I the only one confusing AI with Al (M)? I find myself rereading some of these posts a couple of times to make sure which is which.

 

[microstrip]

I have no intention of using AI in my posts. I have no reason to have my posts screened for such. The only purpose of a "preview" function is for someone who deliberately wants to use AI, which you obviously want to do, and allow it to be a part of your post.

You obviously do not understand what is AI and the many ways AI can be used. AI is like computers and social media - it is becoming part of our live. AI has enormous risks associated to it - it is why in a forum that splits between entertainment and business the forum owners are learning about it and evaluating a strategy to deal with it. The function of the preview function is to give an answer to practical issues of abuse - it will be transparent to people who use AI with intelligence and ethics. Lawyers, doctors and many professions are having to deal with it. Surely some simply use the wrongly called ostrich strategy - I do not use it, I do not need to think about it. And, yes, I do not need the AI bot to know it is not true!

But the AI bot gave me a reasonable quick view and perspective of how other audio forums are dealing with problem - with details enough to understand that due to the WBF specifity we can't simply copy their solutions.

 

[Al M.]

Am I the only one confusing AI with Al (M)? I find myself rereading some of these posts a couple of times to make sure which is which.

Hehe. Yes, I find it disturbing that my name comes up so often. Almost feels like stalking .

 

[the sound of Tao]

AI suggests the very best uses in our hobby for AI is to create lots more audiophile music… and then to finally deal with audiophile senescence by replacing the aging stock of audiophiles with something younger, less troublesome, better looking and at times more positive and upbeat!!

 

[Holmz]

AI suggests the very best uses in our hobby for AI is to create lots more audiophile music… and then to finally deal with audiophile senescence by replacing the aging stock of audiophiles with something younger, less troublesome, better looking and at times more positive and upbeat!!

Or the AI just “listens” and makes playlists for us, so that we can clean the kitchen bathroom, and do the gardening… the thangs that AI cannot do.
…While it enjoys listening to the music.

 

[KPC]

Maybe AI can make Rap or Metal more listenable, or run our government. But wait, isn’t “artificial” intelligence already in our government?

 

[thedudeabides]

You obviously do not understand what is AI and the many ways AI can be used.

Unlike you, I am just an ignorant individual with very limited intelligence and analytical capabilities.

I fully understand the issue and your position. I am tired of you and your incessant need to preach the AI gospel. Go insult and argue with someone else. You are on "Ignore". Bye.

 

[godofwealth]

If I had to guess, I’d wager that a huge amount of what DOGE is doing (according to their own statements) is processing government databases through generative AI models like Transformers to find inefficiencies, of which I’m sure there are plenty. AI is coming to DC in a hurry. The nation’s capital will never be the same again. I’m not opposed to these efficiency improvements. They’re probably long overdue. SF, the so-called AI capital of the world, has a mass-transit system called MUNI that runs on floppy disk drives. Can you believe that in 2025, we still are using floppy disk drive technology to run our mass transit systems in San Francisco?

So, I wouldn’t be surprised to see that being the case in DC. The Japanese Government still mandates businesses use floppy disk drives for certain financial transactions. AI will make many such outdated processes redundant.

Change is hard for most folks to process. We all have to find ways to keep our jobs in light of advances in AI. I know for me it’s a daily struggle. It’s pretty scary to see how sophisticated these AI systems are at even advanced types of programming. The software development field is going to shrink dramatically with millions of good paying jobs lost. Fortunately as I work in high end AI, my job involves very advanced math that these systems can’t grok yet. But that will undoubtedly change. I’m too old to learn skills like plumbing or carpentry. If your job involves working with your hands, you’re relatively immune from short term impact. Cardiac surgeons or neurosurgeons are going to do OK, but only for a limited period. Radiologists are in trouble. If you fix cars for a living, you’re golden. If you are in elder care, I think you’re going to do well.

 

[PYP]

If I were young, I'd become a sex bot repairman and get certification in hologram maintenance. Maybe also get licensed as a Soma distributor as a fallback.

 

[godofwealth]

Let’s look at this another way, if it will help. 65 million years ago, mammals were tiny rat-like creatures that scurried along dark passageways trying to eke out a living. The apex predators were the huge dinosaurs like T-Rex and Velociraptors. Well, the scientific evidence that’s now pretty conclusive shows that an enormous asteroid hit the earth near Chicxulub near the Gulf of Mexico (ahem, recently renamed Gulf of America for users of Google Maps in the US) wiping out a huge chunk of animals including the dinosaurs. Mammals being rat-like creatures survived.

How do we know this actually happened? Well, explosions generally leave a “smoking gun”. In this case, we know that asteroids are rich in materials rare on Earth, like Iridium. Well, guess what, at the impact crater, there’s a huge deposit of Iridium. What’s more telling, the huge explosion sent millions of tons of the asteroid all over the Earth. At exactly the same historical region in thousands of locations, we again find large quantities of Iridium. There’s lots of other evidence, like the presence of molten particles that only occur when you have explosions that are of the size of a hydrogen bomb.

Ok, we’re here today reading WBF thanks to this asteroid that made it possible. Otherwise T-Rex would still be ruling the Earth. So, in our infinite wisdom, we decided to create AI that might become our apex predator. Well, that’s unfortunate if it happens, but life’s tough. We got our shot at being the apex predator on Earth. But as every apex predator knows, that’s a short-term position. Ask your closest T-Rex the next time you run into one.

When you look at the long-term scenario, it makes more sense. To me at least!