Should a member be allowed to make a post which is AI generated or AI mixed without disclosing such use of AI as part of the post?

[Ron Resnick]

There is some AI detector called Monica which integrates several AI detectors (including GPTZero and Sapling AI Detector and Copyleaks) to produce a composite result.

Perhaps this is a reasonable way to get a result which is more authoritative than merely selecting one particular AI detector.

Maybe one of our AI savvy members can look into this product for us?

 

[Ron Resnick]

Although in general I agree with your suggestions, I do not like the idea of moderators editing posts. IMO they should simply delete or hold them, notifying the author to change it.

I agree. I don't want moderators editing member posts.

 

[microstrip]

There is some AI detector called Monica which integrates several AI detectors (including GPTZero and Sapling AI Detector and Copyleaks) to produce a composite result.

Maybe one of our AI savvy members can look into this product for us?

Although I have no experience with AI detection - I relied on experts for such purpose, I find funny that Monica supplies an AI detection tool and an "Humanizer" - a tool to bypass AI detection systems! Funny world ...

 

[Ted Denney III]

The following is written through verbal dictation. Literally talking to my iPhone with voice to text.

As a CEO, I prize myself on being extremely efficient. That means utilizing tools, to make my points, to get to the bottom of things, and to move forward as efficiently and with his little effort as possible. Ultimately, my goal is to always move as far fast and efficiently as possible. This attitude is material to my companies success. As well as the fact that I no longer spend every hour of every waking day Working, I have hours and hours every day to enjoy the things I love while processing in the back of my mind what my company needs to do where we need to pivot, and what we should be focusing on next. In other words, because of my workflow habits, I can see the forest for the trees.

ChatGPT sees the above as being at least partially written by AI. So what are we to do, throw in smooth brain adjectives? A few pejoratives? Or attempt to sound stupid? All of this is being verbally dictated by the way. Should we run our copy through an AI detection software after dictation, and then have it rewritten so it doesn’t sound like AI? Even though we’re talking to our effing phones in the first place?

 

[Ted Denney III]

At the end everyone needs to check the answer\research they do to confirm the answer.

Miss information isn’t new, or just internet issue, it was there before the internet, even when we went to the university library to gather information for our thesis.

1. The Bell Curve (1994) “ Intelligence and Race

Claim: Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray argued that intelligence is largely genetic and that racial differences in IQ scores explain social inequality.

Conflict: Critics pointed out methodological flaws, biases, and misuse of IQ data, arguing that environmental factors and systemic inequalities were ignored.

2. Jared Diamonds Guns, Germs, and Steel (1997) “ Geographic Determinism

Claim: The book suggests that environmental and geographic factors primarily shaped the dominance of certain civilizations.

Conflict: Historians and anthropologists argue that it oversimplifies history, underestimating cultural, political, and individual human agency.

3. Sigmund Freuds Theories “ Psychoanalysis and Childhood Trauma

Claim: Freud suggested that many psychological disorders stem from repressed childhood trauma, particularly sexual abuse.

Conflict: Later research indicated that some of his case studies were misinterpreted or even fabricated, and many of his theories lack empirical support.

4. Margaret Meads Coming of Age in Samoa (1928) “ Cultural Misinterpretation

Claim: Mead argued that Samoan adolescence was free of stress and sexual repression, unlike in Western societies.

Conflict: Anthropologist Derek Freeman later claimed that Mead was misled by her informants and that her findings were exaggerated or incorrect.

5. The Mismeasure of Man (1981) “ Stephen Jay Gould vs. Biological Determinism

Claim: Gould criticized 19th- and 20th-century racial intelligence studies, arguing they were biased and scientifically flawed.

Conflict: Some modern studies suggest that Gould may have selectively presented data to discredit earlier scientists, leading to accusations of bias.

6. Hitlers Table Talk (1953) “ Misattributed Quotes

Claim: This book presents transcriptions of Adolf Hitlers conversations, often cited to analyze his views.

Conflict: Historians have debated the accuracy of the translations and whether the content was altered by Nazi officials or later editors.

7. Fake Theses and Disputed Research (Recent Cases)

Example: In 2020, Claudine Gay (former Harvard president) faced accusations of plagiarism in her academic work.

Example: In 2002, Jan Hendrik Schön, a physicist, was found to have falsified data in multiple published research papers.

According to ChatGPT there is a high probability you wrote the above using AI.

 

[Ted Denney III]

Disclosure is the easy question.

What about censorship of a possibly AI generated post which was not disclosed by the poster as such?

What about disciplining of a member who fails to disclose a post which an AI detector says was an AI generated post?

Ron,
Did you use AI to polish? There is a moderate probability this was at least partially written by AI according to ChatGPT.

What nonsense this is.

 

[Kingsrule]

The following is written through verbal dictation. Literally talking to my iPhone with voice to text.

As a CEO, I prize myself on being extremely efficient. That means utilizing tools, to make my points, to get to the bottom of things, and to move forward as efficiently and with his little effort as possible. Ultimately, my goal is to always move as far fast and efficiently as possible. This attitude is material to my companies success. As well as the fact that I no longer spend every hour of every waking day Working, I have hours and hours every day to enjoy the things I love while processing in the back of my mind what my company needs to do where we need to pivot, and what we should be focusing on next. In other words, because of my workflow habits, I can see the forest for the trees.

ChatGPT sees the above as being at least partially written by AI. So what are we to do, throw in smooth brain adjectives? A few pejoratives? Or attempt to sound stupid? All of this is being verbally dictated by the way. Should we run our copy through an AI detection software after dictation, and then have it rewritten so it doesn’t sound like AI? Even though we’re talking to our effing phones in the first place?

On your iPhone do you have AI turned on? If so possibly there is your answer

 

[Ted Denney III]

He got "busted" in the sense that the AI detector identified his post as 100% AI derived and hence apparently not his own professional manufacturing knowledge. That is problematic in my mind if a manufacturer does that on the Forum

Lol

 

[andromedaaudio]

Lol

Ted weren t you the first caught with AI on WBF?
Causing all this ....

 

[Kingsrule]

Relying on members to disclose the use of AI is a recipe for disaster IMO. How many will fess up?
I think it was mentioned Xenforo was/has/is supplying an AI filter in their hosting platform.
The solution for disclosure is clear to me: Let Xenforo filter every post and display AI detection in a color other than black... like RED....can't hide/conceal from that. Problem solved

 

[Ted Denney III]

I'm inclined to agree with your proposal, Steve.

I have two questions about implementation. It may be naive as I don't know much about the practical issues surrounding AI:

a) given the potential for a mixed post containing partial human and partial AI text, is your thinking that any occurence or degree of AI participation marks the message as such? I'm of the view that any occurence is problematic.

b) by what method(s) will text be determined a product of AI?

moderate to high probability of being written by AI.

 

[PYP]

A new paper from researchers at Microsoft and Carnegie Mellon University finds that as humans increasingly rely on generative AI in their work, they use less critical thinking, which can “result in the deterioration of cognitive faculties that ought to be preserved.” [vs. those that are ok to deteriorate, I suppose]

“[A] key irony of automation is that by mechanising routine tasks and leaving exception-handling to the human user, you deprive the user of the routine opportunities to practice their judgement and strengthen their cognitive musculature, leaving them atrophied and unprepared when the exceptions do arise,” the researchers wrote.

 

[Al M.]

Relying on members to disclose the use of AI is a recipe for disaster IMO. How many will fess up?
I think it was mentioned Xenforo was/has/is supplying an AI filter in their hosting platform.
The solution for disclosure is clear to me: Let Xenforo filter every post and display AI detection in a color other than black... like RED....can't hide/conceal from that. Problem solved

Except that I don't trust the reliability of AI detectors. I don't want a post of mine (or anyone else's) flagged as AI assisted when it is not.

And if I get "punished" for the alleged AI use, the worse. I'll go on forum strike.

 

[Ted Denney III]

Ted weren t you the first caught with AI on WBF?
Causing all this ....

What I find amusing is the high instance of AI written polished and structured responses throughout this forum. So now, instead of responding to points made, especially with no response can be offered when someone makes an assertion or is called out,
when points are disproven, and they have no response, people can simply run an argument through an AI detector and cry foul. So foolish.

 

[Lagonda]

Except that I don't trust the reliability of AI detectors. I don't want a post of mine (or anyone else's) flagged as AI assisted when it is not.

And if I get "punished" for the alleged AI use, the worse. I'll go on forum strike.

You are originally Austrian, you will automatically be judged as AI, especially when you say "I will be back !"

 

[Ted Denney III]

I wrote the following copy this morning for our website. It outlines the new Synergistic Research UEF Ethernet Switch Mk 2. And for fun, I ran it through an AI detection. Yep, I guess my inner R2D2 wrote this. Except I wrote this.

The Synergistic Research Ethernet Switch Mk II represents a quantum leap in network audio technology, incorporating advanced innovations first developed for our flagship Voodoo server and $65,000 PowerCell SRX line conditioner. This new switch builds upon the success of our first-generation UEF Ethernet Switch, dramatically improving every aspect of its performance.

At the heart of the Mk II are our next-generation Electromagnetic Cells (EM Cells), the first reengineering of their technology since we sought our original patent. Initially developed for our PowerCell SRX to address both power and signal clarity in the digital domain, they selectively filter high-frequency noise from incoming AC power and the digital signal path, eliminating electromagnetic interference (EMI) and switching noise that can degrade audio quality. This results in a significantly lower noise floor compared to our original UEF Ethernet Switch.

A critical advancement in the Mk II is introducing our ULF (Ultra Low Frequency) Biasing system, a feature absent in the first-generation model. This groundbreaking technology replaces high-frequency noise with harmonics of the Earth's Schumann Resonance, which pass through the EM Cells unaltered. Unlike our previous switch, which focused solely on first order noise reduction, the Mk II enhances system musicality through this ULF Biasing.

The Mk II also incorporates our latest linear power supply (LPS) technology, refined during the development of the Voodoo server. This advanced LPS optimizes the DC bias for the EM Cells and the switch itself, unlocking performance levels unattainable from the first-gen UEF Switch. The result is cleaner power delivery and more stable, jitter-free data transmission, even under peak network loads.

We've built upon a new, higher-performance Ethernet switch base, outperforming our previous generation before applying our proprietary technologies. Combined with our improved EM Cells, advanced LPS, and ULF Biasing, the Mk II achieves unprecedented levels of digital signal purity, far surpassing its predecessor.

Audibly, these advancements translate to a noticeably expanded soundstage, enhanced resolution, and improved tonal accuracy across the frequency spectrum compared to the original UEF Ethernet Switch. Bass notes gain authority and articulation, while treble extends with airy precision, unveiling musical details that were previously obscured.

The Synergistic Research Ethernet Switch Mk II represents a significant leap forward in digital audio reproduction. It offers discerning audiophiles a level of performance that eclipses our previous offering and sets a new standard for networked audio.

 

[Ron Resnick]

What I find amusing is the high instance of AI written polished and structured responses throughout this forum.

This surprises me. I would not think that we have presently a high instance of AI polished posts.

Would you please copy and paste here an example or two of the posts you're talking about?

 

[Ted Denney III]

This surprises me. I would not think that we have presently a high instance of AI polished posts.

Would you please copy and paste here an example or two of the posts you're talking about?

Ron, I did. And I think this is ridiculous. I don’t think you’re writing your posts with AI. But I took screenshots of ChatGPT assessing a moderate probability of AI generation to your post.

 

[Ted Denney III]

Ron, I did. And I think this is ridiculous. I don’t think you’re writing your posts with AI. But I took screenshots of ChatGPT assessing a moderate probability of AI generation to your post.

*a significant number of posts on What’s Best Forum exhibit at least moderate probability of AI involvement. This is going to be a lot of fun?

 

[Ron Resnick]

I wrote the following copy of this morning for our website. It outlines the new Synergistic Research UEF Ethernet Switch Mk 2. And for fun, I ran it through an AI detection. Yep, I guess my inner R2D2 wrote this. Except I wrote this.

The Synergistic Research Ethernet Switch Mk II represents a quantum leap in network audio technology, incorporating advanced innovations first developed for our flagship Voodoo server and $65,000 PowerCell SRX line conditioner. This new switch builds upon the success of our first-generation UEF Ethernet Switch, dramatically improving every aspect of its performance.

At the heart of the Mk II are our next-generation Electromagnetic Cells (EM Cells), the first reengineering of their technology since we sought our original patent. Initially developed for our PowerCell SRX to address both power and signal clarity in the digital domain, they selectively filter high-frequency noise from incoming AC power and the digital signal path, eliminating electromagnetic interference (EMI) and switching noise that can degrade audio quality. This results in a significantly lower noise floor compared to our original UEF Ethernet Switch.

A critical advancement in the Mk II is introducing our ULF (Ultra Low Frequency) Biasing system, a feature absent in the first-generation model. This groundbreaking technology replaces high-frequency noise with harmonics of the Earth's Schumann Resonance, which pass through the EM Cells unaltered. Unlike our previous switch, which focused solely on first order noise reduction, the Mk II enhances system musicality through this ULF Biasing.

The Mk II also incorporates our latest linear power supply (LPS) technology, refined during the development of the Voodoo server. This advanced LPS optimizes the DC bias for the EM Cells and the switch itself, unlocking performance levels unattainable from the first-gen UEF Switch. The result is cleaner power delivery and more stable, jitter-free data transmission, even under peak network loads.

We've built upon a new, higher-performance Ethernet switch base, outperforming our previous generation before applying our proprietary technologies. Combined with our improved EM Cells, advanced LPS, and ULF Biasing, the Mk II achieves unprecedented levels of digital signal purity, far surpassing its predecessor.

Audibly, these advancements translate to a noticeably expanded soundstage, enhanced resolution, and improved tonal accuracy across the frequency spectrum compared to the original UEF Ethernet Switch. Bass notes gain authority and articulation, while treble extends with airy precision, unveiling musical details that were previously obscured.

The Synergistic Research Ethernet Switch Mk II represents a significant leap forward in digital audio reproduction. It offers discerning audiophiles a level of performance that eclipses our previous offering and sets a new standard for networked audio.

I happen to think this is very well-written.

I couldn't copy and paste the entire text into the AI detectors, because the free detection has a word limit.

Originality.ai rates this as 100% AI.

The composite Monica detector rates it as 88% AI.

But this may be an inapposite test example, because in no event do we want members just copying and pasting marketing copy into WBF posts.