Should I stay, or should I go?

[Bobvin]

Somebody help me...

I've read about 4 pages of this rapidly evolving thread and I am still asking myself what the F is a SGM? Some new digital server thingie? (That requires a DAC?)

-ignorant bob

 

[morricab]

Somebody help me...

I've read about 4 pages of this rapidly evolving thread and I am still asking myself what the F is a SGM? Some new digital server thingie? (That requires a DAC?)

-ignorant bob

Sound Galleries Monaco and it is a souped up PC acting as a music server.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

Somebody help me...

I've read about 4 pages of this rapidly evolving thread and I am still asking myself what the F is a SGM? Some new digital server thingie? (That requires a DAC?)

-ignorant bob

come on up to my place and hear the SGM server Bob.....if you can tear yourself away from your new room.

 

[microstrip]

On my Italian trip, the metronome server had lower noise floor and a bit more space than the metronome CD player (not the top CDP). I was indifferent but Gian's friend as well as the dealer preferred the server. We were told the difference would hold with the top CDP too. One guy here (custodian) prefers his W20 to the Scarletti into his vivaldi dac (not only for convenience but also for sound)

Thanks - I was reporting directly on what I consider optimum digital combinations - top DACs with the matching spinner. Surely if you just mix results will be very different. I am always astonished that people who openly admit that they get nigh and day differences with minimal analog tweaks expect digital to sound perfect without optimization.

We can see that in your trips systematically everyone prefers vinyl to analog. IMHO nothing else can be expected from the situations you masterly describe.

This thread was triggered by someone wanting to listen to WBF members - IMHO we should present our views, not suffocate him!

 

[bonzo75]

Thanks - I was reporting directly on what I consider optimum digital combinations - top DACs with the matching spinner. Surely if you just mix results will be very different. I am always astonished that people who openly admit that they get nigh and day differences with minimal analog tweaks expect digital to sound perfect without optimization.

We can see that in your trips systematically everyone prefers vinyl to analog. IMHO nothing else can be expected from the situations you masterly describe.

This thread was triggered by someone wanting to listen to WBF members - IMHO we should present our views, not suffocate him!

I agree. But I don't think he wants to visit. He wants an ok that he should go SGM.

You can check with Gian60 and (his friend Marco) and what Barry said yesterday about preferring vinyl to digital. And no, these were not planned vinyl trips - I can understand if I go to DDK's one can expect vinyl to sound better than digital. And thing with vinyl is a tweak makes a big jump - Bill's TT set up did not sound that good but change of BMC to Aesthetix IO Sig made it immense

 

[spiritofmusic]

Brad, saying the SGM is a souped up PC is like calling a precision stylus a knitting needle
Just a tad wide of the mark
Anyhows, this is not a thread to necessarily list the pros or cons of any server, or even tt, although I do realise I have praised the SGM in the majority of posts
Re my tt, yes when I read things from the manual you've quoted over again in the cold light of day, there are a Hell of a lot of variables that could affect speed stability
I have to say in day to day use, the solidity and linearness of suspended notes like the impact and sustain/decay of piano notes is especially impressive, which suggests to me that moment to moment speed stability is excellent, even maybe if over a period of time, speed may vary
We used the Dr Feickert app, and speed fluctuations did not vary less or more than 0.05 of an rpm over 30s, w the stylus off or on a record playing
So, solidity and stability seem v good w the Salvation, but undoubtedly there could be irregularities that manifest more subtly in loss of transparency etc
I am probably less of a fan of the rig than I was when I bought it, but I still contend that w the air arm it's the best bang for your buck/pound/euro analog front end about
But obv in final engineering terms not up there w SME, Brinkmann, AMG etc etc

Peter, a very sweet thought, but I think I'll pass on this analog journey w Ked
He would be good value for money and enable me to hear stuff I prob wouldn't on my own, but only certain audiophiles should spend quality time together, and that just doesn't include me and him, I can't impose my angsty nature on the poor guy!
Ked should go off and enjoy his never ending journey w'out me
I agree that this move is making me reappraise things analog wise, but I am minded to also believe this heightened awareness of analog artifacts from such a long continuous break from lps would still be present, maybe less so, had I gone back to an AF or SME or Kronos as well

Good news is that constant tinkering w the tt is opening up things up, a much more expansive sound resulting
But I remain minded that my time away from analog, and hearing cutting edge digital in the meantime, has maybe permanently affected my personal landscape

 

[amirm]

Somebody help me...

I've read about 4 pages of this rapidly evolving thread and I am still asking myself what the F is a SGM? Some new digital server thingie? (That requires a DAC?)

-ignorant bob

You are not ignorant at all. This term is way too specific to be used so generically. Here is my write up of it when I heard it at Mike's place: http://www.audiosciencereview.com/f...s-home-and-sound-galleries-media-server.1267/

 

[spiritofmusic]

Ked, I'm not a child needing the vote of posters here to say "go SGM" and then I'll go
If you don't believe me, I'll throw my toys out of the pram
I'm putting fwd the premise that my landscape has been altered, and I'm perplexed by it all as a died in the wool vinyl fanboy
There's no point just reducing my request for others' perspectives to a simple black and white
If I really needed approval for choices online, I certainly wouldn't have invested in Eera, NAT, Zu etc
Try to look behind my comments, not just the headlines

 

[spiritofmusic]

Oh, it's kind of like Punch And Judy Show, a VERY British tradition
We have v different ways of thinking about things, and the curse of social media is to ramp up contrasts
Face to face we both give as good as we get and politely agree to differ
Online, boundaries are blurred, and tetchiness is highlighted
We're just very different people (dis)united by a common hobby

 

[morricab]

Oh, it's kind of like Punch And Judy Show, a VERY British tradition
We have v different ways of thinking about things, and the curse of social media is to ramp up contrasts
Face to face we both give as good as we get and politely agree to differ
Online, boundaries are blurred, and tetchiness is highlighted
We're just very different people (dis)united by a common hobby

you talking about Ked and yourself?

 

[amirm]

Oh, it's kind of like Punch And Judy Show, a VERY British tradition
We have v different ways of thinking about things, and the curse of social media is to ramp up contrasts
Face to face we both give as good as we get and politely agree to differ
Online, boundaries are blurred, and tetchiness is highlighted
We're just very different people (dis)united by a common hobby

I thought that is what it was . In the 1990s I inherited an R&D group in Reading (outside of London). Despite having lived in UK and spend a ton of time there I was not prepared to actually experience this side of British culture. Folks were so mean to each other! I mean we tease each other in US too but what went on as "normal" to our eyes was super harsh. I had to get used to that being the norm and not let it bother me but it is one of those cross-cultural things that throws you off easily. Because we both speak the same language (more or less ) there is a tendency to judge British culture as our own and in this regard, it is very different.

This makes it painful to read Ked's replies to you as they seem to me as very mean spirited and putting down with no provocation. Yours though is not that way. Which was also the case with great British guy who used to be my right-hand man in my last full-time job.

Anyway, sorry for the digression. Carry on.

 

[bonzo75]

I thought that is what it was . In the 1990s I inherited an R&D group in Reading (outside of London). Despite having lived in UK and spend a ton of time there I was not prepared to actually experience this side of British culture. Folks were so mean to each other! I mean we tease each other in US too but what went on as "normal" to our eyes was super harsh. I had to get used to that being the norm and not let it bother me but it is one of those cross-cultural things that throws you off easily. Because we both speak the same language (more or less ) there is a tendency to judge British culture as our own and in this regard, it is very different.

This makes it painful to read Ked's replies to you as they seem to me as very mean spirited and putting down with no provocation. Yours though is not that way. Which was also the case with great British guy who used to be my right-hand man in my last full-time job.

Anyway, sorry for the digression. Carry on.

There is no putting down. I am sarcastic by nature. It is painful to read your posts too, and I don't mean the above one, but the ones where you try to relate to hifi

And Amir, at least I don't do something as shockingly disgraceful as go to the best room around, and even if one does not like it, purposefully call it bad to give credence to your own pseudo science

 

[amirm]

There is no putting down.

You lack self-awareness with respect to American culture.

I am sarcastic by nature. It is painful to read your posts too, and I don't mean the above one, but the ones where you try to relate to hifi

And Amir, at least I don't do something as shockingly disgraceful as go to the best room around, and even if one does not like it, purposefully call it bad to give credence to your own pseudo science

Sarcasm is fine. Being mean-spirited and bullying another individual who is your opposite and conducts himself in a mild manner (spiritofmusic) is what I consider improper. Again, if he is OK with it, I am fine with it even though it will continue to bother me at some instinctive level. Be mindful that this is a multi-national forum and the impression you impart to others living by different values.

As to your insults toward me, it just re-emphasizes my point that you lack self-awareness as if there was one time you did not want to lash out, it would be on this occasion!

 

[bonzo75]

You lack self-awareness with respect to American culture.


Sarcasm is fine. Being mean-spirited and bullying another individual who is your opposite and conducts himself in a mild manner (spiritofmusic) is what I consider improper. Again, if he is OK with it, it is fine with it. Just be mindful that this is a multi-national forum and the impression you impart to others living by different values.

As to your insults toward me, it just re-emphasizes my point that you lack self-awareness as if there was one time you did not want to lash out, it would be in this occasion!

You really don't care what I say to Marc. This is your excuse to get back at me. Go away Amir, I am not interesting in going to and fro with you.

 

[Ron Resnick]

. . .

But when I climb into bed with the mother of my children, all such pontification becomes irrelevant in the light of the fact that my heart lies with her.

853guy

This is a beautiful post on Valentine's Day!

 

[Steve williams]

Just another day in paradise

Has anyone ever stopped to think that every day there is new conflict between members and when the admin team looks over the facts there is always a common denominator and guess who it is.....Amir,who now is calling Ked a bully . Really

 

[Steve williams]

Time to get this thread back on topic

 

[Bobvin]

Ha.

Look. Let me just say this:

I'm aware there are many women in the world I've not slept with. Many, many of them are exceptionally talented, skilled, disciplined, conscientious, intelligent, emotionally sophisticated, culturally knowledgable, open-minded, social-refined and, yes, desirable.

But when I climb into bed with the mother of my children, all such pontification becomes irrelevant in the light of the fact that my heart lies with her.

853guy

This is a beautiful post on Valentine's Day!

I thought so too Ron.

 

[Barry2013]

You lack self-awareness with respect to American culture.


Sarcasm is fine. Being mean-spirited and bullying another individual who is your opposite and conducts himself in a mild manner (spiritofmusic) is what I consider improper. Again, if he is OK with it, I am fine with it even though it will continue to bother me at some instinctive level. Be mindful that this is a multi-national forum and the impression you impart to others living by different values.

As to your insults toward me, it just re-emphasizes my point that you lack self-awareness as if there was one time you did not want to lash out, it would be on this occasion!

Amir just think of Spirit and bonzo as an odd couple who enjoy jousting with each other and probably prefer not have others intervene in their jousts.
I don't think it is a particularly English characteristic even if the language may be a bit more direct than in other cultures.

 

[Steve williams]

I would like to remind members of some our TOS here at WBF which are pertinent to this last diatribe......

2. Cordial participation is a key requisite of being a member in our forum. If in our opinion you are violating this rule, administrative action may be taken which may include termination of your membership and deletion of your posts with or without notice.

6. Please do not attempt to moderate the forum on your own. If you see objectionable posts, please report them. We will deal with them. Above all, focus on the topic being discussed, rather than the person discussing it.

Amir, Consider this a first formal warning as this type of attitude wears thin with this admin team

Future such deviations will result in more warnings until a temporary ban is issued.