Sme 3012 R

I know this old arm is good but I don’t know why David,Rockitman,Tang,Ron,Mike
Use or will use having top tonearm like Sat,EliteAxiom,Black Beauty,Durand

Why 3012 is so special?
I never had and I don’t understand
Only to know for my curiosity
Regards
Gian

 

Haven't heard any one of the other systems. Thus, remain unconvinced. Are you frustrated? You should me how frustrated I am with comments about zip cord and the like... RED FLAGS everywhere. People trolling the current SME engineers and designs, left and right. Are YOU frustrated? Let me see, do I care... Come down to earth folks.

Troll!

david

 

Haven't heard any one of the other systems. Thus, remain unconvinced. Are you frustrated? You should me how frustrated I am with comments about zip cord and the like... RED FLAGS everywhere. People trolling the current SME engineers and designs, left and right. Are YOU frustrated? Let me see, do I care... Come down to earth folks.

Way to contribute to the community Ack.

 

Yes we know this Steve. We also know that a plethora of people on WBF with world class systems like yours love the arm. But.....people still want to discuss reasons why it shouldn't sound good. We got rid of one troll only to have another jump in. Extremely frustrating for me as I just want to learn more about the arm from the long time users (Ron's point.)

Why would you want to learn more about the arm, when you obviously have formed a biased opinion and will NOT hear anything negative at all about it?? Aren't you the one who stated that SME themselves are wrong and that their beliefs are just more marketing 'BS'- when they told Peter A that their new designs are absolutely more advanced..Hello!

 

Troll!

david

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Nice post---not

Oh, forgot ..anybody with a different opinion is a troll...right??

 

Way to contribute to the community Ack.

Red flags everywhere!

 

Red flags everywhere!

Unless you're color blind, that is...

 

People trolling the current SME engineers and designs, left and right. Are YOU frustrated? Let me see, do I care... Come down to earth folks.

Yes, it's ridiculous. Dismissing their achievements and claims that the new arms are better as marketing BS is surprising, to put it gently.

Oh, forgot ..anybody with a different opinion is a troll...right??

Looks that way

 

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Nice post---not

Oh, forgot ..anybody with a different opinion is a troll...right??

No it's just you 3 Stooges!

david

 

No it's just you 3 Stooges!

david

Red flags everywhere! Look at the mirror first

 

No it's just you 3 Stooges!

david

I've not personally compared a 'ddk-tweaked' 3012r to a modern arm I'm familiar with in a familiar system. my mind is open to any possibility. certainly a few very respected members seem to agree that it's special. so I would expect to also agree.

but labeling skeptics as trolls and 'just you 3' is really wrong. especially considering the negative SME comments from 3012r proponents. why is that not trolling too based on this logic.

lot's of non-ddk kool aid drinkers are not posting their skepticism.....for whatever reason.

I say this as a 'semi' ddk cool aid drinker myself.

 

I've not personally compared a 'ddk-tweaked' 3012r to a modern arm I'm familiar with in a familiar system. my mind is open to any possibility. certainly a few very respected members seem to agree that it's special. so I would expect to also agree.

but labeling skeptics as trolls and 'just you 3' is really wrong. especially considering the negative SME comments from 3012r proponents. why is that not trolling too based on this logic.

lot's of non-ddk kool aid drinkers are not posting their skepticism.....for whatever reason.

I say this as a 'semi' ddk cool aid drinker myself.

I have no problem with skeptics or the curious but this lot is neither. I don't tweak anything nor did I start this thread, the arms are readily available at prices that many here can afford, no one's selling anything Mike. It's not my koolaid, SME sold hundreds of thousand of these long before I came around.

david

 

Oooooh red flags, liberal loosing his $hit again?

david

Against the rules of the forum. Red flags everywhere. Keep on attacking, I have got all the time in the world

 

Yes, it's ridiculous. Dismissing their achievements and claims that the new arms are better as marketing BS is surprising, to put it gently.



Looks that way

You don't even have a turntable! Hilarious.

 

I have no problem with skeptics or the curious but this lot is neither.

david

they are simply very relentless skeptics. I've been in their crosshairs myself before.

 

they are simply very relentless skeptics. I've been in their crosshairs myself before.

I'll debate Stooges vs skeptics if you want .

david

 

Best,

853guy

 

I've not personally compared a 'ddk-tweaked' 3012r to a modern arm I'm familiar with in a familiar system. my mind is open to any possibility. certainly a few very respected members seem to agree that it's special. so I would expect to also agree.

but labeling skeptics as trolls and 'just you 3' is really wrong. especially considering the negative SME comments from 3012r proponents. why is that not trolling too based on this logic.

lot's of non-ddk kool aid drinkers are not posting their skepticism.....for whatever reason.

I say this as a 'semi' ddk cool aid drinker myself.

I have no doubt the 3012R is a winner over and over again, but I don't necessarily believe it's the *only* arm out there that's good. Look at it, it's pretty damn simple. There is a limited amount of magic it can possess as far as what will make it different.

Some things are total of opposite of making sense, with what DDK likes and does. But in general even though means differ for what we like, we agree on what we think about the sound of most stereo equipment. There are obvious divergences among members that like DDK's advice, TT's, etc.. given that not everyone wants the vintage speaker sound. Some people are seeking more soundstage etc etc.

 

well get's get back on track so the thread isn't closed which would probably make the skeptics who have zero experience with this arm happy. Let's just say those that don't own or haven't experienced it have no dog in this fight. They can ask reasonable questions. Unfortunately a few have gone beyond that and are trolling !

 

I have no doubt the 3012R is a winner over and over again, but I don't necessarily believe it's the *only* arm out there that's good.

no one said it was the only good arm.

 

I guess it's time to cool off. So far, I've been able to gather the following:

1) Regarding those who seem to question the increase in wiring quality over the years, I am comfortable in knowing that they themselves have started threads and/or discussions about the latest ultra-expensive cables in their system in the past, e.g. Valhalla, Odin, et al

2) Those who attack SME have not been able to offer anything of substance. I remain confident that arms like the V12 are more than likely superior to this 3012R, based on what I hear in others' systems and what SME themselves claim

3) The 3012R is a great arm, nonetheless. How it measures up to other more recent designs, no one seems to care to directly compare, apart from SME themselves. To believe anyone else that the 3012R is superior is too much to even suggest, given the lack of comparative data

4) Zipcord - says a lot