State of the industry - Roy Gregory Editorial

[andromedaaudio]

what is he experienced in?

You d have to ask him .
All im saying is the CH Rockport demo room was set up good at Munich / it was high quality sound reproduction especially in the last hour of the show where they actually played full songs
And thats basically all i want from an audio show .
I didnt care much for the CH precision Feedback adjustment demo / MQA demo as i didnt really have time for it .
Looking back at Munich i actually missed a complete atrium demo room passage , i missed the Wilson XVX VTL Room for example .
But to be honest i was nt really looking for it as the other XVX and ALEXX rooms were not my cup of tea

 

[bonzo75]

Industry is doing so great that Fremer is moving to TAS haha.

Really? When does he start writing there

 

[Mike Lavigne]

Really? When does he start writing there

now. he left Stereophile a few weeks ago.

 

[tima]

now. he left Stereophile a few weeks ago.

Fremer is getting on in age but that's a big 'get' for TAS - congratulations to Lee and Harley. Wonder what happens to analog planet? I have my issues with Fremer but he has always been a stalwart mainstay for vinyl. I don't see anyone filling his shoes in that capacity.

 

[morricab]

what is he experienced in?

Writing dense, indecipherable prose…

 

[bonzo75]

what is he experienced in?

State of the industry

 

[andromedaaudio]

Ceasar as an addition to my comment ;
i never read magazines/ his reviews , because i m happy with what i currently have ( plus i dont wanna spend like Wadax money on audio for the moment , may be i ll make an exception for Wadax one day though , lol )
My opinion is based on my show experience .

I dont know why everybody is so against magazines , be happy that they re there and if you dont like them don t read them

 

[bonzo75]

World's first speaker, WE 16a crossed over to Mirrophonic woofers (first dual woofer FLH made) playing with original WE mirrophonic amp, Garrard, and ortofon jubilee, and Marantz first preamp model

 

[MarcelNL]

I just wonder what that white BT speaker thingy is doing there in that 2nd picture, was that an ABX listening?

In all honesty, NOTHING I heard in Munich comes close to this, the energy, the power of the violin etc...sure, some systems went further up and down down the freq range but does that matter more than preserving the energy of the original recording?

Let me postulate that miniturisation sucks ;-)

 

[bonzo75]

I just wonder what that white BT speaker thingy is doing there in that 2nd picture, was that an ABX listening?

In all honesty, NOTHING I heard in Munich comes close to this, the energy, the power of the violin etc...sure, some systems went further up and down down the freq range but does that matter more than preserving the energy of the original recording?

The multicell above the bass bin is not being used. The 16a is doing the mids and being crossed to the woofer bin, there is one on each side. Too wide to capture in a pic.

 

[tima]

World's first speaker,

So after more that 120 bonzo messages in this thread you finally post about the state of the industry!

 

[MarcelNL]

The multicell above the bass bin is not being used. The 16a is doing the mids and being crossed to the woofer bin, there is one on each side. Too wide to capture in a pic.

yeah I reckoned there must be something more than just the mid's still...the current price these pieces (amps and speakers) fetch is phenomenal but when I compare that with the list price of various high-end offerings it's dirt cheap for what they offer. We should invent a dollar per ounce of performance index...publish it, copyright it and certify speakers ;-) (and earn $$$ in the process)

 

[andromedaaudio]

So after more that 120 bonzo messages in this thread you finally post about the state of the industry!

And in the end they all converge in a climax .
The climax being a Horn / set vid

 

[the sound of Tao]

Hugo Masekela Stimela coal train video for compare with the 1 million plus system

The first video is for me is a case of sensation overwhelming a perception. For me this is the imbalance that is the current mainstream state of the industry. We are a culture increasingly addicted to the soundfield sensation of the many parts but for me it’s a sensory overload that distracts the mind from then re-correlating the parts into the whole. It’s a bottom up imbalance of the sensory overload of the brain rather than a top down perception of the mind.

 

[bonzo75]

The first video is for me is a case of sensation overwhelming a perception. For me this is the imbalance that is the current mainstream state of the industry. We are a culture increasingly addicted to the soundfield sensation of the many parts but for me it’s a sensory overload that distracts the mind from then re-correlating the parts into the whole. It’s a bottom up imbalance of the sensory overload of the brain rather than a top down perception of the mind.

Wow Tao, you have begun to write like Roy Gregory now

 

[the sound of Tao]

Wow Tao, you have begun to write like Roy Gregory now

Not sure that’s really the case Ked. This mostly relates to exploration I’ve been doing in developing models of learning and understanding perception as the summative phase in the creative cycle. Sensation is about separation and identifying parts and perception is about correlating the parts and realising the connective wholeness. It’s something I’ve been working on to use to train designers to recognise design more as a cycle. But it is the fundamental difference between analysis and synthesis as dual phases of the process.

 

[andromedaaudio]

There is currently a job offering at stereophile :

Rules of the game:

" Treat all transducer designs equally "

At least from the start , so i guess this makes it to hard to follow for some from WBF ( resulting in no job lol )

 

[MarcelNL]

IMO a fundamental difference between then and now is that the designers back then had live performance as reference, current designers look at the 'design mathematics' and come up with something that comes close to what calculates best.

To me the difference between what I mostly heard in Munich and gear like the WE12a based design or the WE16a is the sense of space, it sounds as if the music is played slower...IME that is a result of the brain having to do less post reception processing and for me is linked to better sound, less listening fatigue etc. And no that is not something only found in horns, my infinite baffle system in our previous house did the same, so does the setup using 2*KL405 in a 2m by 2m panel at my mate. Time coherence is IMO key, I guess much more than we think/expect/think to know.

 

[PeterA]

Hugo Masekela Stimela coal train video for compare with the 1 million plus system

Thanks Bonzo. My ears hurt after that first system video. The highs are so piercing and artificial sounding. It is an assault on the senses. The second video is better, but a bit closed in sounding to me. It is more convincing, but not quite open enough. Such a contrast. It is almost as if the source media is different in each video. Are those the new class A amps in small boxes on the floor? If not, what amps are used for this second video.

 

[Ron Resnick]

It’s a bottom up imbalance of the sensory overload of the brain rather than a top down perception of the mind.

I think you're making a point about un-engaging, sum-of-the-hi-fi-parts versus holistic, musically satisfying whole.

Respectfully, this sounds like fancy writing, but does it have any real meaning?