Stromtank........

[Ron Resnick]

each audiophile mains system and audio system is particular enough to kill any hope of generalization. Experimentation and basic electrical common sense are the only rules.

+1

From personal experimentation I know that the PS Audio regenerator sounds different than an Equi-Tech isolation transformer. I suspect a Stromtank sounds different than a PS Audio regenerator or an Equi-Tech.

So all of these devices make our systems sound different. The question is: is different subjectively better?

In my new system I decided not to go down this road at all, and I'm not using any of these devices.

 

[microstrip]

+1

From personal experimentation I know that the PS Audio regenerator sounds different than an Equi-Tech isolation transformer. I suspect a Stromtank sounds different than a PS Audio regenerator or an Equi-Tech.

So all of these devices make our systems sound different. The question is: is different subjectively better?

In my new system I decided not to go down this road at all, and I'm not using any of these devices.

But you should check your mains, at less for voltage and line regulation (mains impedance). You can do it yourself, no technician needed!

 

[bryans]

So all of these devices make our systems sound different. The question is: is different subjectively better?

Very true statement.

 

[bryans]

nice post! Agree that people who haven’t tried battery on their front end components are fools.

as per post above, it may not work in all situations but worth a try!!!

also for what it’s worth:

Goal Zero Yeti 400 Lithium Portable Power Station Battery power comparo with Goal Zero Yeti 400, PS Audio DirectStream Power Plant 20 (P20) and Stromtank S2500. Review By Tom Lyle

Goal Zero Yeti 400 Lithium Portable Power Station Battery power comparo with Goal Zero Yeti 400, PS Audio DirectStream Power Plant 20 (P20) and Stromtank S2500. Review By Tom Lyle of Enjoy the Music.com

www.enjoythemusic.com

a guy compared a goal zero unit , costing a few hundred bucks, to stromtank. Conclusion: he couldn’t tell any difference ( but not a direct comparison, but still…if it were significant….)

I must admit, I'm curious on what changes a Goal Zero unit will make. One can get one to try for 30 days.

 

[Ron Resnick]

line regulation

The Torus voltage line regulation devices ("Torus AVR") output 120VAC +/- 5V for input voltage between 90V and 130V.

But it seems to me that fluctuation between 115V and 125V is still a pretty big range for, say, a reel-to-reel tape machine.

What appropriate product do you know of that maintains much tighter voltage regulation?

 

[microstrip]

The Torus voltage line regulation devices ("Torus AVR") output 120VAC +/- 5V for input voltage between 90V and 130V.

But it seems to me that fluctuation between 115V and 125V is still a pretty big range for, say, a reel-to-reel tape machine.

What appropriate product do you know of that maintains much tighter voltage regulation?

As far as I remember Torus keeps voltage switching between taps of the transformer - I think the +/-5V is the extreme case, very improbable. It is why my advise to diagnose our mains.

Your A820 is super regulated mainly DC operated machine - it should be insensitive to mains variations, something that does not happen with the A80 or many other old top reel machines that benefit for a non distorted mains, as the motors are AC operated.

 

[Hessec]

I have tested the output voltage of my torus 5 times. Every single reading has been 121v. I believe a 5v difference will shut the unit down. Mine are whole room units. I cannot comment on the "conditioners" as I have no experience with them.

 

[Audiohertz2]

In my point of view, Stromtank is a over-price product, you get a better music density, more details but with the trade-off cost of power swing, dynamic constrast and lively performance. The sound become softer, more calm down and relaxed, but loss the feeling of exciting let you gone with the music.
Some kind of problem related with the build quality, with a high price tag it should be better
+ The internal cable inside Stromtank is not an audiophile grade just like a popular electric cable
+ The grounding bus bar inside is too small and not good enough for a good earth ground path
+ The chassis is not thick and solid enough

Even I tested the 2500 quantum for only my MSB Digital Powerbase, it got the same result.
One of my friend who have an extreme power soultion with Stromtank but still have a slightly dynamic trade-off
+ S1000 for the CD source
+ S2500 quantum for preamp
+ 2 x S5000 HP for each poweramp (left & right)
+ Earth grounding enhancement for each unit
Please try it with home demo and listen it in your system before you decide to buy.

This has been my experience with every power condition i have tried , they really help if you have bad wall supply from local power company or poor internal wiring etc if not , kills dynamics for sure just as you describe ..!


Regards

 

[matthias]

In my new system I decided not to go down this road at all, and I'm not using any of these devices.

+1
I have one 16mm2 line terminating into a distribution box in my listening room. From there go hardwired 4mm2 lines to all devices. The connection at the backside of the devices is Neutrik Powercon 32A.

With this arrangement I never had the desire to use any power conditioning at all.

Matt

 

[Ron Resnick]

I have still seen ground loop issues through a Stromtank unless you unplug it from the wall.

Hi Rex,

Did you see this in an application where the amplifier was not plugged into the Stromtank? Or was every component plugged into the Stromtank?

 

[Kingrex]

Where I live there are a lot of power outages primarily in the summer time. So protecting sensitive equipment like an costly music server from improper shut-down makes a product like Stromtank a worthwhile investment.

You could also use a Torus AVR that auto adjusts the output voltage to maintain a stable 120 volts. If voltage gets out of range, it will shut the power down until you tell it to turn on. You could also use a UPS and Equitech. You could also use a PS Audio regnerator. Or a Pure Power. Or maybe that Monster Power station.
I believe you are correct in that the grid is an unstable source of power in some locations. But there are options. Any server should be able to handle a drop out. A continuous sag or swell is another issue.

Hi Rex,

Did you see this in an application where the amplifier was not plugged into the Stromtank? Or was every component plugged into the Stromtank?

Amp to the wall. 240 volt Boulder. Everything else the Stromtank.

I had him put the Stromtank on Ebtech HumX and that broke the loop. Were still trying to figure out why. I think the amp is leaking voltage to ground. Not fully sure. We have done many forms of isolation and elimination.

 

[PhP]

Please take a look inside, they should have a better audiophile build quality with their price tag.

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STROMTANK is a power system, no signal inside. I find the manufacturing quite correct (look at most audiophile amplifier and you will be amazed that they are not better but they transport signals) and there is no really issue with audiophile power cord inside. Power cords are protecting from EMI/RFI and reject unwanted frequencies in 110/230V. They also act to protect from antennae effect. In a steel box (shielded) audiophile cables inside are absolutely unnecessary. Of course we all want better components better plugs etc at this price tag. When you discuss with real engineer in electronics that design state of the art electronics, they all said that power conditioners are not the good way, only AC design that really build a perfect sine wave is mandatory. All other systems have goods and drawbacks. STROMTANK and in a less extreme design PS AUDIO provide this. I used unfiltered audio systems for 30 years and each time power conditioners damaged my music but also in my customer systems. If you use STROMTANK you have to choice the right power to prevent compression, easy to find with the electronic manufacturer. Remember there is a difference between mean continuous power and power necessary for huge fff and transients. In well design amplifier this additional energy come from the amplifier power supply, not from the mains. And yes, I use extensive grounding system.

 

[Amir]

It's a comparison between MSB Digital PowerBase > QB8 > Main Wall Duplex Socket vs MSB Digital PowerBase > Stromtank > Main Wall Duplex Socket.
I've already take a long time to looking for a power condition solution, I had a lot of expectation how Stromtank will improve my overall system before I tried it but it's not work in my case.
Currently I'm going to go with Telos Monster Power Station after having experienced their Grounding Monster.


Yes you're right, for a AC-DC-AC solution the inverter is very important thing. But for the audio, AC current is not enough esspecially for hiend audio, you need to play with some enhancement solution for a better signal ground, chassis ground, earth ground.
For the build quality at their price tag, please compare it with the build quality from Taiko Audio and let see how the Taiko Battery Power Supply will be.

This Telos is around 100k?