Taiko Audio SGM Extreme : the Crème de la Crème

[drjimwillie]

The sentence: Feed all stuff from one source. How did you interpret that and what did you do?

Will you please elaborate on the steps for adding another router after your Fios router? Did it change the IP address for your server and other audio gear?

Are you using the Optical Module?


Thank you

 

[Rhapsody]

The sentence: Feed all stuff from one source. How did you interpret that and what did you do?

>>>>I can't find this sentence exactly BUT up until recently I had one Verizon Fios Router. One lan port was connected to the Extreme via copper. I had prior used the Startech FO modules, but going back and forth I preferred the copper. They sounded different and in my room/systems/ears I preferred the copper. Other systems/room/ears might prefer the FO set ups.

I also had another lan port feeding an AirPort Extreme that also had outputs to various hardwired devices.

Another port went to a different server than the Extreme. Another port went to another hardwired audio device.

What I did now, was take one of the ports from the Verizon Fios router and send it to the Edge router. Now the Edge router, which is acting like a switch is dedicated to the Extreme and is not being affected by all of the traffic on the Verizon router.

Will you please elaborate on the steps for adding another router after your Fios router? Did it change the IP address for your server and other audio gear?

>>>>I only have experience with the Ubiquiti Edge router. Here is a tutorial on how to add a second router.

https://itstillworks.com/set-second-router-verizon-fios-6127815.html

With the Edge router you first have to connect the Edge router to a PC with a hardwire ethernet connection. Then you first have to upgrade the Edge FW. It comes with 1.0XXX and you upgrade it to 2.0XXX. The 2.0 Version is on the Ubiquiti site to download.

You long on to the Edge router from the PC, download the FW and then there is a set up wizard in the main menu of the Edge user interface. It got a little dicey for me, as you have to change the IP address of the Edge router so it does not conflict with the Verizon router. Sometimes you have to reboot the routers or disconnect the Verizon router so you can access the Edge router.

This the part that "got me" the first time I tried this. I got so frustrated I returned the Edge router. 3 days later ordered another one and actually got it all done in an hour, but by that time I had been through two days of "torture". Again, that was just my ineptness.

Here is a link from the Ubiquiti site regarding setting up the Edge router and accessing it's user menu.

https://help.ubnt.com/hc/en-us/articles/115002531728-EdgeRouter-Beginners-Guide-to-EdgeRouter
Are you using the Optical Module?

>>>>>I have in the past and as I said for ???? I preferred the copper after going back and forth. Although when I was using the FO I was running a 50' run. When I smithed back to copper it was a 2's run. That whole story is back a few pages on this thread.


Thank you

Noted above...

btw, everyone's network is going to be different. As a few have said above they do NOT use Verizon Fios for TV phone etc or have those applications connected to the Verizon Router, I did.

If someone has a very simple configuration just like Dminches does he was able to just replace the Verizon Fios router with the Edge router without doing anything other than changing out the modems.

 

[octaviars]

I can’t find the 12V here in Brazil. Just the 24V model.
Any 24V LPS available?

The Edgerouter X SFP has a supported voltage range from 9 to 26VDC (the stock SMPS is 24V as there are PoE output from it). I use one and have tried to run it on 9V and that works today I run mine on 15V but 12V will also work fine.

https://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/edgemax/EdgeRouter_X_DS.pdf

 

[Jpowell]

You should call SGC, I think there is just something wrong with the site link.

I think you two may be talking at cross purposes here, but I know I'm confused. I also looked at the pull-down menu and it clearly shows everything from 5V to 15V as options (and the product is clearly labeled as being available in the 5V-15V range). But here is where I get confused: the Datasheet for the EdgeRouter X SFP shows the following:

Max. Power Consumption 5W Max.
Total PoE Output 50W @ 24V PoE
Output Passive 24V (Pins 4, 5+; 7,
Power Input 24VDC, 2.5A
Power Adapter (Included) Power Supply External AC/DC Adapter Supported Voltage Range 9 to 26VDC

I'm no electrician, but it would appear to me that the device would like to have a 24V PS, yet Rhapsody is recommending a 12V LPS, correct? I'm sure I'm missing something obvious--or maybe a good 12V PS is all that it requires for this single-minded purpose?

BTW, Rhapsody, I'm considering adding the EdgeRouter in the same configuration as you've got (between the Verizon Router (which I use for all manner of purposes in the house generally--including the cable connection for tv programming), so I might take you up on that offer to 'walk me through it' if need be, though it sounds fairly straightforward. We shall see when I get it....

 

[joaovieira]

The Edgerouter X SFP has a supported voltage range from 9 to 26VDC (the stock SMPS is 24V as there are PoE output from it). I use one and have tried to run it on 9V and that works today I run mine on 15V but 12V will also work fine.

https://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/edgemax/EdgeRouter_X_DS.pdf

Thanks!

 

[octaviars]

I'm no electrician, but it would appear to me that the device would like to have a 24V PS, yet Rhapsody is recommending a 12V LPS, correct? I'm sure I'm missing something obvious--or maybe a good 12V PS is all that it requires for this single-minded purpose?

You only need a 24V PSU when you use PoE on any of the RJ45 if you like me just use it as a regular switch then you can power it with anything from 9-26V so 12V will work ok.

 

[Rhapsody]

You only need a 24V PSU when you use PoE on any of the RJ45 if you like me just use it as a regular switch then you can power it with anything from 9-26V so 12V will work ok.

Scared the heck out of me

I went back and looked at this spec sheet and it shows the X uses 12V, but the XFP can use 24V with PoE as Octaviars just stated.

https://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/edgemax/EdgeRouter_X_DS.pdf

I got lucky because I know that I looked at the X specs instead of the XFP when I ordered the LPS at 12V, which does work fine.

 

[Rhapsody]

I think you two may be talking at cross purposes here, but I know I'm confused. I also looked at the pull-down menu and it clearly shows everything from 5V to 15V as options (and the product is clearly labeled as being available in the 5V-15V range). But here is where I get confused: the Datasheet for the EdgeRouter X SFP shows the following:

Max. Power Consumption 5W Max.
Total PoE Output 50W @ 24V PoE
Output Passive 24V (Pins 4, 5+; 7,
Power Input 24VDC, 2.5A
Power Adapter (Included) Power Supply External AC/DC Adapter Supported Voltage Range 9 to 26VDC

I'm no electrician, but it would appear to me that the device would like to have a 24V PS, yet Rhapsody is recommending a 12V LPS, correct? I'm sure I'm missing something obvious--or maybe a good 12V PS is all that it requires for this single-minded purpose?

BTW, Rhapsody, I'm considering adding the EdgeRouter in the same configuration as you've got (between the Verizon Router (which I use for all manner of purposes in the house generally--including the cable connection for tv programming), so I might take you up on that offer to 'walk me through it' if need be, though it sounds fairly straightforward. We shall see when I get it....

Just let me know if/when you get the Edge router. I can probably walk you through it on the phone or I can jump on your computer with TeamView and show you the navigation that I used.

Lot's of time, it's not like any of us are going anywhere right now

 

[Rhapsody]

Talk about confused.....I just realized I have not connected the LPS to the Edge router yet. I have the LPS from SGC running on my Verizon router. I just ordered the second SGC LPS to run with the Edge router. BUT it sounds like the 12V version, with me not using PoE will work fine with 12V....whew:0)

 

[cat6man]

You only need a 24V PSU when you use PoE on any of the RJ45 if you like me just use it as a regular switch then you can power it with anything from 9-26V so 12V will work ok.

without PoE and running at 12V, do you have any idea what the current requirements are for 12V PSU?

 

[Jpowell]

Just let me know if/when you get the Edge router. I can probably walk you through it on the phone or I can jump on your computer with TeamView and show you the navigation that I used.

Lot's of time, it's not like any of us are going anywhere right now

Thanks, Rhapsody. Will do.

 

[dminches]

Here is one of the YouTube videos describing how to set up the Edge Router.

 

[octaviars]

Yes @cat6man I did measure current draw at different voltages and at 12V it draws around 0,3A.

I use two RJ45 one input from fiber converter ISP, one RJ45 to my main switch that supplies the house and the SFP fiber is used to run fiber to my etherREGEN.

If you use all five RJ45 you might see a slight increase in current draw not by much so I think a good 12V PSU with 1A will be good enough. I use one of the LT3054 rails on my HD Plex and that is 2A and that works fine.

 

[cat6man]

Yes @cat6man I did measure current draw at different voltages and at 12V it draws around 0,3A.

I use two RJ45 one input from fiber converter ISP, one RJ45 to my main switch that supplies the house and the SFP fiber is used to run fiber to my etherREGEN.

If you use all five RJ45 you might see a slight increase in current draw not by much so I think a good 12V PSU with 1A will be good enough. I use one of the LT3054 rails on my HD Plex and that is 2A and that works fine.

thanks. i'll only use 2 rj45 as well, one from main switch that supplies the house (24 port netgear) and one to feed etherREGEN (optical out for music)

just noticed that i have about 18 different ac plugs in my basement space command control room with router, 3x switches, 2x fiber converters, 3x NAS (one backup for music, one video server, one family server), 3x usb HDD, 2x HDhomerun tv tuners, sageTV server/NUC

 

[joaovieira]

I have the main router about 40 ft away from my audio room. Connecting to the audio room I have ethernet cat6 cable and fiber cable.
So I have two options to connect the new Edge router: use fiber or ethernet.
to use fiber I have to put an ethernet/fiber converter close to the main router.
to use ethernet just connect the edge router on the wall RJ 45 female and my ethernet audio cable to the SGM Evo.

Would anyone suggest the best way? In the case of using fiber, what is the SFP gear recommended?

thanks

 

[Leif S]

Thank you for your elaborate reports Russ!

I'm waiting for this damn lock down to pass Emile. I've been on pins and needles to get to a couple different Extreme owners houses to get to experience this. Can't wait

 

[Steve williams]

I'm waiting for this damn lock down to pass Emile. I've been on pins and needles to get to a couple different Extreme owners houses to get to experience this. Can't wait

I'm closest to you

 

[Leif S]

I'm closest to you

LOL

 

[Rhapsody]

I have the main router about 40 ft away from my audio room. Connecting to the audio room I have ethernet cat6 cable and fiber cable.
So I have two options to connect the new Edge router: use fiber or ethernet.
to use fiber I have to put an ethernet/fiber converter close to the main router.
to use ethernet just connect the edge router on the wall RJ 45 female and my ethernet audio cable to the SGM Evo.

Would anyone suggest the best way? In the case of using fiber, what is the SFP gear recommended?

thanks

I don't think there is a "best" way.

My experience has shown it is best to try both (FO and copper) and see which one sounds better to your ears. In my set up(s) the FO and the copper sounded different. The great part is you can do this fairly inexpensively.

 

[joaovieira]

Thank you, Bob!
I will test.