Taiko Audio SGM Extreme : the Crème de la Crème

With respect to the Taiko Extreme how do you connect it to your DAC

  • USB

    Votes: 55 63.2%
  • Ethernet

    Votes: 14 16.1%
  • Both USB and Ethernet

    Votes: 10 11.5%
  • AES/EBU

    Votes: 10 11.5%
  • Dual AES/EBU

    Votes: 2 2.3%
  • Other

    Votes: 6 6.9%

  • Total voters
    87

Taiko Audio

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It'll be interesting to see if all the Extreme owners get this special setup service when the Beta comes available.
USB drivers, system specific drivers, specific DACS that individuals are using, previous changes in eveyone's Extreme...it all seems like a huge task. No one from Taiko has been into my Extreme since the Roon update deal and even then it felt like the goal was to get in and get out as quick as possible. With hundreds of Extremes in the field, it feels there will be a generic upgrade to Beta but how can Taiko handle the nuanced changes that Williams, MikeL and others are getting? (Maybe I'm having Extreme upgrade envy......)

I can imagine it to appear that way. However all this “attention” involves rolling out a high volume of bugfixes and updates to the alpha, sometimes with just 1-2 days in between. This is indeed very labour intensive which is why the alpha was only installed on a small number of Extremes with their respective owners being made aware of a potential large amount of teamviewer sessions. All of these updates will be incorporated into the beta. The version which Steve reported on above will be the beta release. Wilson and Edward are working on the manuals and an installer which should minimize rollout time right now. Also of paramount importance is the incorporation of an automated update procedure which will allow users to apply updates themselves by pressing a button as indeed by now it would take several weeks for us to manually apply an update to all Extremes.
 

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Emile, I was thinking of something like a Paul Hynes SR-7 DR rail, which is the opposite of noisy!

One of the interesting concepts you've introduced, and @nenon has also expounded on the AS thread, is the notion that the Taiko DC-ATX adapter — which I have no doubt will trounce anything else on the market — is best fed with an unregulated energizing DC rail.

I know a lot of people using high-quality, double regulated supplies like the SR-7T and SR-7DR to energize the HDPlex DC-ATX, who will replace their existing HDPlex DC-ATX adapters for the Taiko. What will be really interesting is the experiments that prove or disprove whether a cheaper, but unregulated, energizing supply outperforms these SR-7 units.

The question is how low noise it will be when submitted to a variable, peaky and/or high current draw. You will always have a recovery time after a current draw spike for example, and usually a bit of ringing. Looking forward to (more then) a few face-offs :)
 

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Considering the amount of work that went into determining that I'm not disclosing that right now, I'll say it's a fine balance between achieving power conversion and filter efficiency.
I would think at this price point individual LPS would have been used. reg smps harmonics occur both above and below switching freq used. I agree at low current plenty can be done to lower its effects. Regarding mainboard they too have SMPS and chokes as part of there cleaning up of noise.
 

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So again thank you to Emile as I now have complete use of all the buffers. My previous default was PCM 2048 and DSD 8192. After yesterday my new default buffers are PCM 4096 and DSD 8192
Thanks Steve for the tantalising update!

To the TAS Alpha users who use HQP;
Do these buffers settings matter as well?
 

Taiko Audio

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Thanks Steve for the tantalising update!

To the TAS Alpha users who use HQP;
Do these buffers settings matter as well?

They have no effect on HQ Player.
 
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Steve Williams

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as I said, these discussions are above my pay grade. However what I can say for sure is that the deletion of the JL Sounds driver and installing the TAS driver made a huge uptick in sound quality. Up until this past week my system as it was (Amanero USB Board) was limited to full use of TAS. Once Emile did his magic and inserted the driver I have been glued to my seat as the sound is just so much better. The best way I can describe what I noticed different
...better dynamics
...a virtually non existent sound floor
...pristine clarity
...3D sound stage
 

Taiko Audio

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Subscription link to signup for the TAS Beta for those who missed it: TAS Beta program
 

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as an aside to all the DIY stuff going on here which is above my pay grade, I have to report another epiphany I had yesterday thanks once again to Emile

TAS alpha has been on my system for the past 3 months and I have yet to go back and play Roon as the SQ on TAS clearly bests that of Roon

What I did learn several months ago however was that I was limited in the extent to which I could avail myself to the full benefits of TAS. This became obvious immediately when I could not access PCM buffers above 2048 n or could I access the adaptive-1 or adaptive-2 buffer. The explanation was that I was limited by virtue of the fact that my DAC (Lampi Pacific) was based on a USB board which used Amanero which was the reason for my limited access to TAS buffers. I had a long talk with Emile as well as Lukasz about the new JL Sounds USB board which has replaced Amanero and is able to not only take full use of TAS functions such as full use of all buffers BUT so also allows me to now use the TAS driver as well as being able to take full advantage of Emile's upcoming proprietary USB board as well as his switch.

With Lukasz giving instructions from the sidelines as well as providing me with the JL Sounds USB board with a schematic on how to insert the new USB board and with the assistance of a local Lampizator approved technician the board was replaced on Monday. First sound impressions with this new board were all positiver but nothing that stood out as sounding vastly different......until yesterday.....

With Emile's genius and the help of Team Viewer Emile installed the TAS driver and removed the JL Sounds driver. According to Emile there is now a new player being used and there were SQ upgrades that he also installed

He was finished yesterday before I even had breakfast. I sat down to listen and I didn't emerge from my sound room let alone leave my seat for the next 5-6 hours. What I heard yesterday was beyond even what I have heard before with TAS sans TAS driver and the new JL Sounds USB board. The sound floor was so low that previous levels on my gain control were reduced. What for me was so dramatic was the pristine clarity of what I was hearing. I thought that clarity, dynamics, and lowered sound floor were amazing before but yesterday had me glued to my seat. The sound stage was 3D and there was top to bottom clarity. There were songs that I have used for years to demo certain features . One song I commonly use is "You Want It Darker" by Leonard Cohen who we all know had a deep gravely voice. Every time I play that song his voice sounds loose and gravelly. Yesterday I can honestly say that this looseness in the bottom register was completely gone and yesterday was the first time that I can say that I heard his voice the way I remember it

Bottom line is TAS remains the real deal. Whenever Emile asks me if I am interested in trying some new features in the alpha version I become like a kid at Christmas visiting toyland as every listening session brings new rewards.

So again thank you to Emile as I now have complete use of all the buffers. My previous default was PCM 2048 and DSD 8192. After yesterday my new default buffers are PCM 4096 and DSD 8192

To all the readers here who are Extreme owners I would strongly encourage all of you to avail yourself of the Beta version when it becomes available because if you think what you are hearing now is great, all I can say is "you ain't heard nothing yet" :)

we are lucky to have this team working 24 x 7 on making the SQ of TAS the best there is. What I heard yesterday was a quantum leap above what I was hearing before

I even got a notice yesterday from Test Flight that automatic changes were made to my Taiko Remote. You guys rock!!
Thanks for your posting on this experience with the new USB input on your Lampi Pacific. I, too, run a Pacific (SE), and added an Extreme to my system back in mid-November. I certainly have been enjoying better sound quality with this server feeding the Pacific vs. my previous Antipodes DX II, and I am intrigued about the potential for upgrade on the Pacific side.

When Emile helped get my Extreme set to rights, he mentioned that the JL Sounds USB board would be a good improvement, but I have balked at sending my Pacific out to get this done, because I don't want to live without it through the winter, thinking summer might be a better time to have an absence, since I'm a lot busier away from home then and not listening to music near as much.

But you were able to get it installed locally. Hmmmm..... Could you please tell me more about how you arranged that process? That sounds ideal to me. I had proposed to Lampi NA that I do the install work myself, since I am handy enough with soldering iron, and actually had replaced a failed power switch module in my Pacific last summer, with their blessing. They were not keen on me taking this on myself.

I now cannot wait to get the Beta TAS on my Extreme, and would love to add this JL Sounds USB improvement to the mix! I'm already liking what I am hearing, and better would be better yet. TIA!
 

Steve Williams

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Thanks for your posting on this experience with the new USB input on your Lampi Pacific. I, too, run a Pacific (SE), and added an Extreme to my system back in mid-November. I certainly have been enjoying better sound quality with this server feeding the Pacific vs. my previous Antipodes DX II, and I am intrigued about the potential for upgrade on the Pacific side.

When Emile helped get my Extreme set to rights, he mentioned that the JL Sounds USB board would be a good improvement, but I have balked at sending my Pacific out to get this done, because I don't want to live without it through the winter, thinking summer might be a better time to have an absence, since I'm a lot busier away from home then and not listening to music near as much.

But you were able to get it installed locally. Hmmmm..... Could you please tell me more about how you arranged that process? That sounds ideal to me. I had proposed to Lampi NA that I do the install work myself, since I am handy enough with soldering iron, and actually had replaced a failed power switch module in my Pacific last summer, with their blessing. They were not keen on me taking this on myself.

I now cannot wait to get the Beta TAS on my Extreme, and would love to add this JL Sounds USB improvement to the mix! I'm already liking what I am hearing, and better would be better yet. TIA!
I would definitely not advise you to take on the soldering. Thes are 22 gauge wire going into tiny little ports. If you do use there Lampi repair tech the turn around should be quick be quick.
As far as the benefit of the board, I can tell you this...once I got the new board installed, Emile was not available until the next day to install TAS driver, remove JL Sounds driver and install the alpha updates, so I had a day to listen. Frankly there was little change in the sound between the two boards. But when Emile installed TAS driver I was once again gobsmacked with a "wtf just happened" moment. I keep telling Emile that the TAS sound and developing TAS platform has me sold as I only care about SQ and just when you think you're there Emile finds a way to make it even better
 

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