The magic of stereo

[garylkoh]

Some recordings out there are simply & truly magic!
I don't know about the Phase interaction or not but the Holography is "epoustouflant"!

One of those recordings is this one (Stereo CD) on 'fathom' records:

Bob

Absolutely! You should also hear the version mastered by Bruce on Winston's FIM DXD CD!!

 

[Bruce B]

Absolutely! You should also hear the version mastered by Bruce on Winston's FIM DXD CD!!

There was definitely some out-of-phase energy I had to deal with. The "Volcano" track had some 8-9Hz energy that was unreal.

Lost World

 

[NorthStar]

HDCD encoded? (The 'FIM DXD CD' recording.)

 

[NorthStar]

There was definitely some out-of-phase energy I had to deal with. The "Volcano" track had some 8-9Hz energy that was unreal.

That "out-of-phase" energy that you are referring to; does it feel like some gentle pressure in the lobe of your ears?

Bob

 

[Bruce B]

That "out-of-phase" energy that you are referring to; does it feel like some gentle pressure in the lobe of your ears?
Bob

I wouldn't call it that... it's like pressure on your inner ears like you're going up in altitude or underwater.

Not HDCD.. we used the DAD AX24 at 352.8kHz for the analog capture from the console.

 

[NorthStar]

Yes, I just found it. I was going to post the cover but I just saw that you did.

And it is not HDCD encoded as some FIM records are, but it is even better!

@ http://www.elusivedisc.com/prodinfo.asp?number=LIMDX037

*** Is it tough for me, a Canadian, to find this CD here in Canada, or do I have to order it from the States?

Bruce, when you said "we", is that mean that you were involved with some colleagues in the 'juxtaposition', retransfer of this recording?

Bob

 

[garylkoh]

*** Is it tough for me, a Canadian, to find this CD here in Canada, or do I have to order it from the States?

Bruce, when you said "we", is that mean that you were involved with some colleagues in the 'juxtaposition', retransfer of this recording?

Bob

It's OOP, so get it while you can. Bruce did it together with Winston Ma, the owner of First Impressions Music. Two perfectionists in one studio........ with sometimes opposing views. Magic is the result.

 

[NorthStar]

I WANT IT! Can Bruce get me one and send it to me?, I'll send him the money first if he provides me with an address.

* But is it really worth it? Truly Magic? I'm sure those two guys are pros, and they can tell me the difference between their own production and from the original one, which I have. If Bruce can PM me and give me more details that would be swell!

Bob

P.S. What does OOP stand for?

 

[fas42]

In summary, the better your gear, the more realism it brings to the table. The more realism you have the easier it is to hear the illusion that 2 channel can and does bring to the table. Conversely, the worse the gear is, the worse the illusion is and your brain has to work much harder.

So, Mark, you're really on my side after all! And I thought, it was just that you didn't like me ...

Frank

 

[NorthStar]

But Frank, about better gear in a 5.1 setup, and well set up too?

Bob

 

[garylkoh]

P.S. What does OOP stand for?

Out Of Print....

 

[NorthStar]

Yeah I tought of that! ...But I still want one though!

* Bruce, you'd better do something for me if you wanna get on my friend's list!

Bob

 

[fas42]

I mean standing say 10 feet away with your eyes closed, listening to a voice, one can easily hear the exact direction, BUT it became very hard to hear how far away the speaker was. A speaker like the SH-50 for example, one can remove the grill and walk up to it and even with your head in the horn mouth, the source is floating somewhere in front of you.

Fantastic post, Tom, I understand why you addressed your explanation to me -- Tim will be quite upset with what you're saying!

You have obviously done very well with creating the "illusion", what I once termed here the universal sweet spot, a key ingredient for you being efficient speakers and sufficient grunt, so no headroom problems.

produces a totally real phantom mono image or an image anywhere between the two speakers

With this phantom image, on a true mono source, how far can you move from the centre, at the nominal listening position, to the left and the image follow you? Can you reach the left speaker without problems? Can you go beyond the left speaker and the image still follow? What's the best it's done?

Frank

 

[RBFC]

Here ya go:

http://www.elusivedisc.com/prodinfo.asp?number=LIMDX037

Lee

 

[NorthStar]

About Imaging behind the speakers?

 

[NorthStar]

Here ya go:

http://www.elusivedisc.com/prodinfo.asp?number=LIMDX037

Lee

You're late to the party Lee, this link has already been divulged ages ago!

 

[fas42]

But Frank, about better gear in a 5.1 setup, and well set up too?

Sorry, Bob, I don't quite follow what you asking here ...

Frank

 

[NorthStar]

Sorry, Bob, I don't quite follow what you asking here ...

Frank

I just mentioned it because Tom seems to be an advocate for more speakers that's all. It was indirectly address to Tom via you.
I luv discussions with other variables...

Don't worry for one bit Frank mate, we are going to rob that bank eventually!

 

[Phelonious Ponk]

Fantastic post, Tom, I understand why you addressed your explanation to me -- Tim will be quite upset with what you're saying!

This isn't the part I found incredulous, Frank. Of course the audio is floating somewhere in front of you as long as the driver is in front of you. Get too close and you're going to have some serious coherence problems if your speakers have multiple drivers. Get close enough and the reproduction will distort because you'll be hearing what one driver produces, not what the speaker system produces. The reproduction will be severely compromised, but it will be floating in front of you somewhere... You forget, I'm a headphone guy. I often listen with the drivers just millimeters from my ears and I don't hear the location of the drivers, I hear the music, floating all around my head. So? Single driver systems or a signal limited enough to not need the production of overtones in other drivers in the system you don't have your ear up to (qualifiers you never mentioned, by the way)? I believe you.

It wasn't that which I found unbelievable. It was this notion of yours of perfect imaging from every position in the room, the idea that you could even be to the left of the left speaker and still get a perfect stereo image if only you addressed enough small distortions before sending your innocent signal into the big distortions of passive crossovers and multiple transducers. Or were you speaking of a different kind of image? Of the audio image of the instrument that the system reproduced, not stereo "imaging?" It matters little, really, because even then you would be saying that tweaking switches and pots to remove insignificant distortions had suddenly enabled your drivers to have perfectly even off axis frequency response. Which is, of course, preposterous. This beautiful illusion is not in the reduction of small distortions. It is in your imagination. And yes, I want some of what Frank is smoking .

Tim

 

[tony ky ma]

About Imaging behind the speakers?

Hi Bob
In a good stereo system, the image can be moved front and back as you turn the volume control, It should show you not only sound louder or less but also let you feel close to the image or they go far from you
cheers
tony ma