TBG, I think you misunderstand me. I'm saying grounding maxxes out what is good about anyone's system. It's not about getting the next upgrade, only to get bored of that and keep going incessantly. It's more about if you've got to a point where you really like your system synergy and voicing, grounding will take the positives and enhance them in ways that seem subtle and obvious all at the same time, mainly by subtracting so many negatives that really are apparent only by their absence. For me, I've gone thru half a dozen tt/cdp/amp/spkr changes over 20 yrs (two dozen upgrades), some items staying a decade, others gone within 6 months, and my current configuration I just love and am settled on for life. But Entreq is all 'round allowing an extra level of equal parts involvement/excitement/relaxation, that I'm not analysing/looking for flaws, finally music just happens and I am really "in the moment". For want of a better phrase I'll call this lack of cognitive dissonance.
Tripoint troy signature grounding device
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Whatever description you give to it the improvements described by Spirit are real and clearly audible.
The reduction/elimination of the noise simply lifts the sound of a system to new levels of fidelity. It's not a change in the character of the sound as you can get with different components, its the same character but unsullied by the previous contaminants.
You would be doing yourself a real disservice, if I may say so, by not at least hearing what Entreq and Tripoint achieve.
Hi Spirit,
Not to getaway from the subject at hand I just noticed that you use Elrog 845's.I am about to place an order for psvane WE tubes and now ask your thoughts on the Elrogs.
many thanks
ed
Barry2013, I fully know the impact of the Tripoint Troy Signature as I have one. I was merely mussing about the use of cognitive dissonance. I know that my Granite Audio grounding unit did very little so there is much more than just grounding. What I hear with the Signature is an enormous and vivid sound stage. So for me it is imagine and realism. I have heard one of the early Entreq units at The Home Entertainment Show and heard very little benefit. Presently I am going to hear the new Emperor unit from Tripoint, but I doubt if I can afford it. It is like buying a Porsche Cayman.
Personally, I think the Cayman offers a better value for one's money...
How do you know if you have never heard the Tripoint Emperor? Btw, have you ever listened to the Tripoint Troy signature?
Personally, I think the Cayman offers a better value for one's money...
but if one already has the 2015 GT3 and one wants the ultimate in grounding with a passion?
the value of a Caymen is then beside the point.
a better way to look at it would be to compare the cost of the Emperor with other audio products. might the Emperor add more benefit than some tt's or maybe a collection of expensive cartridges?
$70k+ 'retail' for a second tt, or 4 expensive cartridges is no less wacko than the Emperor. a matter of perspective perhaps.
and then back to the question of hearing it. once you heard it you might prefer what it brings to the party to other audio toys you have with similar retail price tags.
all this stuff boggles the mind with $$$$ signs.
Some of us are just too " small minded " for any of their comments to be relevant . They are just big man living in a small& narrow minded world where they eat only grill or barbeque fishes & disbelieved it when fishes can taste good eating it raw like sushi & sashimi . By the way , I do not own any tripoint product currently even though I like what I heard at audioexotics
Despite the best efforts of the arch-objectivists, Troy and Entreq really work. I turn down well over half the tweaks I try for being invisible (many expensive cables/racks)/deleterious (many sorbothane pads/many tubes)/euphonically coloured (BSG QOL unit), but along w/balanced power, Entreq is the real deal in my system. It's impvts are v.unlike any other system changes out there, and despite the radical impvts wrought in my system, I can well see how people would scorn the concept/not "get it". If you "get it", it'll take everything good about your system to the next level, w/no change to the inherent chacter of the sound (unique in this amongst any other changes I've introduced). Same I'm sure could be said re Troy.
Audioblazer, please tell us more. I read that many heard only the total system. Did you hear any demonstrations, such as with and without the Emperor or with cables other than the Goebels?
Audioblazer,
There is no need to get personal with un-classy remarks if they were are directed at me. The fact that you haven't heard Tripoint or Entreq in your own system is very telling. To me, it seems that signal grounding would be more important than additional chassis/safety ground, hence I went the entreq route. From what I am hearing, I doubt Tirpoint would provide any negligible benefit up and over my Entreq gear. I could be wrong though.
Rockitman, I do suspect that one needs to hear both units in one own system, but what do you mean by, "I doubt Tirpoint would provide any negligible benefit up and over my Entreq gear." As I read this it is a double negative meaning you think the Signature would be better, but the rest of your post suggests otherwise. I own a Troy Signature and bought it before I ever heard of Entreq selling anything but cables. I did briefly hear a version of the Entreq once and was asked if I wanted to do a review, but I never followed up.
I suspect that few of us who own one brand will bother to try the other. One is quite expensive and hard to hear in a demonstration and the other in comparison seems cheap and also hard to hear if you are American.
I suspect that few of us who own one brand will bother to try the other. One is quite expensive and hard to hear in a demonstration and the other in comparison seems cheap and also hard to hear if you are American.
I have no idea which one performs better. They are both dealing with the nebulous science of cleaning up grounds. I went the entreq route as I felt the price was more in line with what I would be willing to pay and that I had a demo. I also liked the idea of cleaning the signal ground since it's closest to the music ? In any event, my comment was using entreq and tripoint together. One for signal ground, the other for chassis. Do they both need to be addressed or can either method be employed to yield similar results ? Those questions I fear will remain unanswered until someone uses both products in their system and somehow determines which one contributes most.
Yes, but this is with a Troy, which was designed with chassis grounding in mind.
Yes, i have been fortunate to have access to both. I liked the Troy Signature Base with Thor PC. I loved what the Atlantis do for tonal density, and the Receivus for reducing more and more noise/grunge on specific components. So yes, I combine them...but never crossing the Tripoint cables with the Entreq cables on the back of the Troy...each brand has its own binding posts...mixing did not work at all (as Miguel of Troy and Entreq Distributor advised). Would i love to try the big Thor grounding cables? Sure, but sadly at the retail price, not one for me. Fortunately, i am extremely happy and have no desire to seek further grounding improvements. Glad to see good reports so far on both Tripoint and Entreq...
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