Tripoint troy signature grounding device

[rockitman]

Lloyd (LL21) uses both

I am not sure he has figured out which one contributes most. Maybe both approach's yield similar results ? I am happy where I am. I prefer the cleaner look of an rca going into my components, rather than a wired spade into my chassis screws. The way the sound is now using these devices, I am not sure I can do much better. I may have reached the ceiling of what is possible in my system....

 

[Geardaddy]

I have no idea which one performs better. They are both dealing with the nebulous science of cleaning up grounds. I went the entreq route as I felt the price was more in line with what I would be willing to pay and that I had a demo. I also liked the idea of cleaning the signal ground since it's closest to the music ? In any event, my comment was using entreq and tripoint together. One for signal ground, the other for chassis. Do they both need to be addressed or can either method be employed to yield similar results ? Those questions I fear will remain unanswered until someone uses both products in their system and somehow determines which one contributes most.

The most extensive experience with both products is in Asia. Many folks in the AE crowd started with one and graduated to the other rather than hybridizing like Ll21. I will let you ask them. I assume this is the same rockitman who bestowed his wisdom on Miguel's thread on Audiogon:

11-03-14: Rockitman
^^^ what in god's name does a Steinway finish on a wooden box translate to sound quality ? I'll answer...zip, zero, nada.

Was that statement made before or after you bought the Entreq? As for cost, it is highly amusing that you stumble over cost judging by your system. Nordost Odins are not exactly cheap (10k). A Troy and SOTA power conditioning will have as much or more impact than your Nordost cabling.

 

[LL21]

Interestingly, the guys in Asia i have spoken to own BOTH Tripoint and Entreq systems and use both (one for chassis and one for signal). I just spoke with one in Asia who just added Entreq to his Tripoint Troy and is encouraging me to go for it (sorry...too much for me! . And then there are the really extreme guys who actually special order grounding cables from a third manufacturer (Siltech?) to use with their Troy.

I think Lincoln Chen of Audio Technique uses special Siltech grounding cables with his Troy system...and he also uses Entreq in his other system. Yikes!

 

[rockitman]

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The most extensive experience with both products is in Asia. Many folks in the AE crowd started with one and graduated to the other rather than hybridizing like Ll21. I will let you ask them. I assume this is the same rockitman who bestowed his wisdom on Miguel's thread on Audiogon:



Was that statement made before or after you bought the Entreq? As for cost, it is highly amusing that you stumble over cost judging by your system. Nordost Odins are not exactly cheap (10k). A Troy and SOTA power conditioning will have as much or more impact than your Nordost cabling.

I ask you then geardaddy. Does a Steinway finish improve the performance of Tripoint gear ? I spend money where I feel it is best spent. I do not view tripoint as a good value compared to entreq...especially with the results I am getting with the entreq stuff. I imagine Tripoint is shaking in their boots with the explosion of Entreq sales here in the US as of late. Maybe they should re think their pricing model ?

 

[Geardaddy]

Interestingly, the guys in Asia i have spoken to own BOTH Tripoint and Entreq systems and use both (one for chassis and one for signal). I just spoke with one in Asia who just added Entreq to his Tripoint Troy and is encouraging me to go for it (sorry...too much for me! . And then there are the really extreme guys who actually special order grounding cables from a third manufacturer (Siltech?) to use with their Troy.

I think Lincoln Chen of Audio Technique uses special Siltech grounding cables with his Troy system...and he also uses Entreq in his other system. Yikes!

Entreq is in his second system. He has a Tripoint Signature in his home reference system.

 

[Geardaddy]

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I ask you then geardaddy. Does a Steinway finish improve the performance of Tripoint gear ? I spend money where I feel it is best spent. I do not view tripoint as a good value compared to entreq...especially with the results I am getting with the entreq stuff. I imagine Tripoint is shaking in their boots with the explosion of Entreq sales here in the US as of late. Maybe they should re think their pricing model ?

As I ALLUDED to on the AG thread, the finish ALLUDES TO internal quality and overall quality control. What finish do you have on your speakers? Would you be content with unfinished wood or MDF? Some people will argue about materials, finishes, and their influence on sound. I can believe it but its not germane to my argument. As for Tripoint being concerned about Entreq, not really. Very different customer bases. That's the beauty of audio. An explosion of sales? No, this is hi end audio. In the US, with our economy in shambles, Entreq will definitely appeal to price shoppers. C'est la vie.

 

[rockitman]

As I ALLUDED to on the AG thread, the finish ALLUDES TO internal quality and overall quality control.

Alludes...very interesting word. That said, I like the oiled oak finish of the entreq gear....very well constructed. What's inside exactly in either entreq or tripoint...I don't know. Just because something is shiny and pretty on the outside does not mean a thing to me when determining quality.

 

[Geardaddy]

Alludes...very interesting word. That said, I like the oiled oak finish of the entreq gear....very well constructed. What's inside exactly in either entreq or tripoint...I don't know. Just because something is shiny and pretty on the outside does not mean a thing to me when determining quality.

its an accurate choice of words much like an allegory or symbol alludes to an unseen reality. What speaker finish did you choose? Again, the irony of your position is highly amusing...

 

[rockitman]

its an accurate choice of words much like an allegory or symbol alludes to an unseen reality. What speaker finish did you choose?

I chose Almandine Black. It's an automotive paint found on some Mercedes models of the past. The finish choice made no impact on my decision to buy said speakers.

 

[Audiocrack]

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I ask you then geardaddy. Does a Steinway finish improve the performance of Tripoint gear ? I spend money where I feel it is best spent. I do not view tripoint as a good value compared to entreq...especially with the results I am getting with the entreq stuff. I imagine Tripoint is shaking in their boots with the explosion of Entreq sales here in the US as of late. Maybe they should re think their pricing model ?

A comment I cannot understand and find rather dissappointing: as you did not answer the two questions I asked you earlier in this thread it is fair to assume that you have never heard either the Tripoint Troy signature or the Tripoint emperor, let alone heard one of these devices in your own system. It is really beyond me how you can make such a statement about 'good value'. Do you have any clue about what it takes to create the troy or the emperor? Do you have any idea about how many months Tripoint audio is backordered? Come on, give me (and all of us) a break and let's try to keep our comments and discussions at an acceptable (intellectual) level.

 

[rockitman]

A comment I cannot understand and find rather dissappointing: as you did not answer the two questions I asked you earlier in this thread it is fair to assume that you have never heard either the Tripoint Troy signature or the Tripoint emperor, let alone heard one of these devices in your own system. It is really beyond me how you can make such a statement about 'good value'. Do you have any clue about what it takes to create the troy or the emperor? Do you have any idea about how many months Tripoint audio is backordered? Come on, give me (and all of us) a break and let's try to keep our comments and discussions at an acceptable (intellectual) level.

Audiocrack...I appreciate your affection for the tripoint products. To answer your question, no I have not tried them in my system and don't expect to. I have found a grounding solution that works very well in my system and at a price point I can justify. I have pretty much hit the ceiling in fidelity for my system. Dropping $80k on a similar type soulution makes no sense to me and in my view would be a waste of my hard earned money.

 

[Barry2013]

A comment I cannot understand and find rather dissappointing: as you did not answer the two questions I asked you earlier in this thread it is fair to assume that you have never heard either the Tripoint Troy signature or the Tripoint emperor, let alone heard one of these devices in your own system. It is really beyond me how you can make such a statement about 'good value'. Do you have any clue about what it takes to create the troy or the emperor? Do you have any idea about how many months Tripoint audio is backordered? Come on, give me (and all of us) a break and let's try to keep our comments and discussions at an acceptable (intellectual) level.

We have debated that very issue previously.
I made clear that I had heard the Troy Tripoint and if you or others prefer that product I have no problem with that. Myself and others have heard the Entreq range and have bought it because it does a very good job at a very cost effective price. In my experience the Troy did not sound any better, though I have not heard it in my system.
Can't we just accept that some prefer one and some prefer the other without constantly banging on about our individual preferences and at the very least giving the impression, deliberately or otherwise, of demeaning the alternative choice.

 

[TBG]

rockitman, I don't think you have it at all right. I know for a fact that Tripoint is constantly backed up for many months. Production is the major issue, but also Miguel's compulsion to do everything perfectly is an issue. This is behind his new Emperor series also. I'm fearful that when I hear it, I will have to buy it, especially given the comments I hear from Hong Kong.

In reality I don't think Tripoint cares about Entreq at all. What Tripoint needs is more production capacity. I should also say that the dealer in HK insisted that the Emperor look as it does.

 

[TBG]

rockitman, me neither nor does it detract. If Miguel says it is important, it is his judgment not yours and mine. All I will say is that it is magnificent.

 

[rockitman]

rockitman, me neither nor does it detract. If Miguel says it is important, it is his judgment not yours and mine. All I will say is that it is magnificent.

I will give you that..Tripoint's box is nicer looking. Does it perform any better than Entreq gear ? I think the jury is still out on that one. The bottom line, buy whatever makes you happy.

 

[Audiocrack]

Audiocrack...I appreciate your affection for the tripoint products. To answer your question, no I have not tried them in my system and don't expect to. I have found a grounding solution that works very well in my system and at a price point I can justify. I have pretty much hit the ceiling in fidelity for my system. Dropping $80k on a similar type soulution makes no sense to me and in my view would be a waste of my hard earned money.

That is of course completely up to you. My point is that a lot of our members judge and value products without having heard them at all, let alone under controlled circumstances (that is ideally in their own system) and without knowing the details of these devices. Let's be fair to those products and manufacturers as well.

 

[Audiocrack]

We have debated that very issue previously.
I made clear that I had heard the Troy Tripoint and if you or others prefer that product I have no problem with that. Myself and others have heard the Entreq range and have bought it because it does a very good job at a very cost effective price. In my experience the Troy did not sound any better, though I have not heard it in my system.
Can't we just accept that some prefer one and some prefer the other without constantly banging on about our individual preferences and at the very least giving the impression, deliberately or otherwise, of demeaning the alternative choice.

Oh yes, I fully accept that people hear differently, value different sound aspects and as a consequence prefer certain audio devices to others. I have expressed this more than once on this forum. I am glad that you and all other audiophiles enjoy their Entreq products. But that was not the point of my critical reaction: see my additional comment after the response of Christian.

 

[Barry2013]

Oh yes, I fully accept that people hear differently, value different sound aspects and as a consequence prefer certain audio devices to others. I have expressed this more than once on this forum. I am glad that you and all other audiophiles enjoy their Entreq products. But that was not the point of my critical reaction: see my additional comment after the response of Christian.

I am sure most people and probably the vast majority who have read, or read this thread in the future, have enough information to come to a decision as to whether or not to buy Troy or Entreq, or to audition both. Only a limited number will have the means to buy an Emperor and for most it is not an option. For most therefore the choice is between the Troy and the Entreq Silver Tellus etc. They can clearly see that both have their adherents and they can make their choices.
Personally I am getting tired of the continuing efforts to argue that Tripont is a better choice. That is your view and that's not a problem for me, but when will you accept that others prefer Entreq?

 

[TBG]

I am sure most people and probably the vast majority who have read, or read this thread in the future, have enough information to come to a decision as to whether or not to buy Troy or Entreq, or to audition both. Only a limited number will have the means to buy an Emperor and for most it is not an option. For most therefore the choice is between the Troy and the Entreq Silver Tellus etc. They can clearly see that both have their adherents and they can make their choices.
Personally I am getting tired of the continuing efforts to argue that Tripont is a better choice. That is your view and that's not a problem for me, but when will you accept that others prefer Entreq?

I don't see it as "continuing efforts to argue that Tripoint is a better choice," but rather that the Entreq is the Tripoint Signature at a fraction of the price, especially as most of us have not heard both. In short this is a futile discussion.

 

[Barry2013]

I don't see it as "continuing efforts to argue that Tripoint is a better choice," but rather that the Entreq is the Tripoint Signature at a fraction of the price, especially as most of us have not heard both. In short this is a futile discussion.

Entreq is a different product from the Troys in that it is designed to work in the signal plane, though both are grounding products, and it is not accurate to describe Entreq as a Tripoint Signature at a bargain price.
They both clearly have significant benefits to a system's sound quality and as Lloyd and others have noted can be used in tandem.
Users of Entreq have found it to be a very beneficial and cost effective addition to their systems. It is up to individuals to make their choices and generally people have finite resources which they will want to deploy as efficiently as possible. It would be rational, I suggest, to spend the available resources in a balanced way. For many spending $80k on an Emperor rather than $10-15k on an Entreq system, and the balance on upgrading other parts of the system would be more efficient unless, which would be true only of a small minority, the rest of the system is already SOTA or close to it.
People need to make choices that best reflect their needs and these will be different.
An unstructured argument ignoring different contexts about which is best is indeed"futile" but to me a number of the contributions on the Tripoint lack balance.