Agreed.The argument that a group listening test might not reveal significant differences assumes that all listeners have the same sensitivity to subtle changes. However, audiophile-grade equipment often reveals nuances that may not be immediately apparent in quick A/B testing. Controlled long-term listening in familiar environments may be necessary to discern potential benefits.
I like pragmatic and disagree with limited, but I would, wouldn't I!Allow me to call yours a pragmatic yet somewhat limited view of the role of network separation in audio setups. Besides, not all streamers and DACs handle network noise equally. Some designs are more susceptible than others, making the effectiveness of different network isolation strategies system-dependent.
My assumption is that anyone exploring audiophile routers will already have experimented within various switches and filters and landed on the unit or combination which makes most difference in their system. A really good switch will kill so much of the noise reaching it that the sensitivity of the DAC to noise is verging on irrelevant; if the switch or an equivalently high performance optical break or filter) was not there, I'd agree with you 100%.
Agreed re fiber-based, grounding, etc. Disagreed re clocking if by "advanced" you mean high accuracy, agreed if you mean low RFI noise.While your skepticism toward "audiophile routers" as a category is understandable, there remains room to explore network architecture optimizations beyond a single high-quality filter. For example dedicated fiber-based isolation, advanced grounding techniques, advanced clocking and optimized network components may and have already shown real improvements in certain setups.
My skepticism fades away if the enquirer has already sorted their network optimally in noise reduction terms, as for example you and @luca.pelliccioli appear to have made an excellent job of. But if people start looking at audiophile routers at the other end of the playback chain before they have sorted the sharp end just before the streamer, It is difficult to resist pointing out the comparatively small improvement they might perceive vs spending that same money at the sharp end. And this is because I know, as you do, how networks work.
Agreed!Ultimately, the effectiveness of network separation is system-dependent, and each audiophile must weigh potential improvements against the cost and complexity of implementation.
All the best,
Nigel