NORTH AMERICAN PUBLIC DEBUT OF TECHDAS AIR FORCE ZERO AND WILSON AUDIO MASTER CHRONOSONIC/SUBSONIC

[KeithR]

What is your point?

Anyone who can afford the entry point for the Zero would have either arranged a demo in Japan or wherever was suitable, or would have just bought one.

Then Mike L says maybe Jacob H might be getting one after his TAS observations. You said you could care less.

Are you in the market for this table?

Please explain how this is a wasted opportunity by a world famous designer?

I already did. Does little to advance our hobby and everything to shrink it more.

Technics by far is disrupting analog moreso than this machine. Fremer even admits it in his plinth review.

 

[JackD201]

Shrink it how?

 

[NorthStar]

I also heard from TLi that although the original plan was 50, it had now been revised to "40+".

The reasons are difficult production and some of them/parts will be for self use or as backups.

From the link in post #58 ...

""The fact that the number of units produced by this machine is less than 50 means that Papst's 3-phase 12-pole synchronous AC motor has not been produced yet and is difficult to obtain. It is said that it is an individual (motors need to be secured for maintenance, and the actual production is less than 50)."

 

[XV-1]

I already did. Does little to advance our hobby and everything to shrink it more.

Technics by far is disrupting analog moreso than this machine. Fremer even admits it in his plinth review.

You have explained nothing, except for perhaps sour grapes .
On this logic, Project and Crossley have disrupted analog more.

All Technics are doing is resurrecting turntable technology they dumped 30 years ago. Have they even managed to better the sq of the sp10 mk3 ?

Tech Das already the V in the Technics price range which has trickle down Tech Das technology. Which one of these sounds better?

 

[KeithR]

You have explained nothing, except for perhaps sour grapes .
On this logic, Project and Crossley have disrupted analog more.

All Technics are doing is resurrecting turntable technology they dumped 30 years ago. Have they even managed to better the sq of the sp10 mk3 ?

Tech Das already the V in the Technics price range which has trickle down Tech Das technology. Which one of these sounds better?

Thanks, but I'm going to politely bow out.

 

[Vienna]

Please keep AF5 and AF3 out, they are lifeless

 

[morricab]

I’m not disagreeing one bit. I agree with you. However it’s called economies of scale

Economies of scale...on a 50 only 400k TT?? Surely you’re joking Mr. Williams...

 

[morricab]

You guys are too easily seduced by reputation, large size and price. This designer is well aware of all three and has priced it to get a Pavlov’s dog response from you.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Anytime anyone rings a bell, I start drooling and buy yet ANOTHER tweak.

 

[bonzo75]

Anytime anyone rings a bell, I start drooling and buy yet ANOTHER tweak.

Everytime you buy a tweak, I feel like ringing a bell

 

[Zero000]

Agreed Ron. I had the exact same conversation with Marc on text about 5 hours ago.

I think worrying about the stand is almost a non-issue. It's visuals cannot be rescued. The entire device is absolutely hideous.

There aren't many good looking turntables. But those that do look good generally look fairly simple in execution.

 

[LL21]

I already did. Does little to advance our hobby and everything to shrink it more....

I have to say...with respect to the millenial generation interest in vinyl...i genuinely believe it is partly retro-fashion...but also because most of the ones I speak with about this genuinely started on the basis 'they heard it sounded better'.

I credit that ONLY due to the high-end stalwarts who pursued, committed and pressed on in the face of headswinds to push vinyl 'on the basis it sounded better'. If they had let vinyl go, i am not sure it would be here at all. Without a super-committed group to push it, support it, etc...i do not think vinyl would have survived let alone had this small resurgence in a new generation.

And without a mass-consumer audience for vinyl, UPMARKET was the only place for it to go. So let it continue to press on and let the tailwinds pick up more followers.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Everytime you buy a tweak, I feel like ringing a bell

Well, you'll get RSI, then.

 

[bonzo75]

 

[Audiophile Bill]

I think worrying about the stand is almost a non-issue. It's visuals cannot be rescued. The entire device is absolutely hideous.

There aren't many good looking turntables. But those that do look good generally look fairly simple in execution.

Hi Justin,

I would have expected a very comprehensive isolation solution in the stand rather than a visuals thing. Bit like Apolyt type thing.

 

[bonzo75]

Hi Justin,

I would have expected a very comprehensive isolation solution in the stand rather than a visuals thing. Bit like Apolyt type thing.

Justin doesn't believe in isolation and stuff, he will keep his table on top of a speaker if he could.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Ked, that's REALLY tricky on an Apogee...

 

[microstrip]

I already did. Does little to advance our hobby and everything to shrink it more.

Technics by far is disrupting analog moreso than this machine. Fremer even admits it in his plinth review.

I must say I can't understand this argument. How can a better sounding turntable not "advance" our hobby and most of all, how can someone make judgements with so little information? As far as I could see the structure of the turntable is complex, putting great effort in critical aspects such as an enormous and heavy plinth, isolation, bearing and platter layers. IMHO only time and more detailed analysis will allow us to judge it.

Stereo sound reproduction is still a mystery in most of it, particularly in the correlation between technical and perceptual. Analyzing and looking just for "advances" does not seem a good way of debating it, YMMV. According to many respectful people the only serious advance in sound reproduction was multi-channel. Curiously audiophiles did not endorse it.

The comparison with the Technics does not add anything to the AF0 matters - it seems to me there is nothing in common between those objects except both spin LPs.

And yes, our hobby is very, very complex.

 

[Zero000]

Hi Justin,

I would have expected a very comprehensive isolation solution in the stand rather than a visuals thing. Bit like Apolyt type thing.

Can't disagree with that.

Lookswise, though, the AF3 is alright I reckon. Best of the bunch.

 

[spiritofmusic]

I guess I look at the AF0, and then I look at the Vyger. The latter for £60k gives me biaxial air suspension and isolation plus an integrated isolating stand, integrated air bearing LT arm, massive and massively overengineered platter, plinth and motor.

And then I look at the AF0 and think about the £340k excess.

And struggle to see how AF0 really goes SIGNIFICANTLY beyond the Vyger.