I already did. Does little to advance our hobby and everything to shrink it more.
Technics by far is disrupting analog moreso than this machine. Fremer even admits it in his plinth review.
NORTH AMERICAN PUBLIC DEBUT OF TECHDAS AIR FORCE ZERO AND WILSON AUDIO MASTER CHRONOSONIC/SUBSONIC
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I already did. Does little to advance our hobby and everything to shrink it more.
Technics by far is disrupting analog moreso than this machine. Fremer even admits it in his plinth review.
From the link in post #58 ...
""The fact that the number of units produced by this machine is less than 50 means that Papst's 3-phase 12-pole synchronous AC motor has not been produced yet and is difficult to obtain. It is said that it is an individual (motors need to be secured for maintenance, and the actual production is less than 50)."
You have explained nothing, except for perhaps sour grapes .
On this logic, Project and Crossley have disrupted analog more.
All Technics are doing is resurrecting turntable technology they dumped 30 years ago. Have they even managed to better the sq of the sp10 mk3 ?
Tech Das already the V in the Technics price range which has trickle down Tech Das technology. Which one of these sounds better?
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Economies of scale...on a 50 only 400k TT?? Surely you’re joking Mr. Williams...
You guys are too easily seduced by reputation, large size and price. This designer is well aware of all three and has priced it to get a Pavlov’s dog response from you.
Anytime anyone rings a bell, I start drooling and buy yet ANOTHER tweak.
Everytime you buy a tweak, I feel like ringing a bell
I think worrying about the stand is almost a non-issue. It's visuals cannot be rescued. The entire device is absolutely hideous.
There aren't many good looking turntables. But those that do look good generally look fairly simple in execution.
I have to say...with respect to the millenial generation interest in vinyl...i genuinely believe it is partly retro-fashion...but also because most of the ones I speak with about this genuinely started on the basis 'they heard it sounded better'.
I credit that ONLY due to the high-end stalwarts who pursued, committed and pressed on in the face of headswinds to push vinyl 'on the basis it sounded better'. If they had let vinyl go, i am not sure it would be here at all. Without a super-committed group to push it, support it, etc...i do not think vinyl would have survived let alone had this small resurgence in a new generation.
And without a mass-consumer audience for vinyl, UPMARKET was the only place for it to go. So let it continue to press on and let the tailwinds pick up more followers.
Hi Justin,
I would have expected a very comprehensive isolation solution in the stand rather than a visuals thing. Bit like Apolyt type thing.
Justin doesn't believe in isolation and stuff, he will keep his table on top of a speaker if he could.
I must say I can't understand this argument. How can a better sounding turntable not "advance" our hobby and most of all, how can someone make judgements with so little information? As far as I could see the structure of the turntable is complex, putting great effort in critical aspects such as an enormous and heavy plinth, isolation, bearing and platter layers. IMHO only time and more detailed analysis will allow us to judge it.
Stereo sound reproduction is still a mystery in most of it, particularly in the correlation between technical and perceptual. Analyzing and looking just for "advances" does not seem a good way of debating it, YMMV. According to many respectful people the only serious advance in sound reproduction was multi-channel. Curiously audiophiles did not endorse it.
The comparison with the Technics does not add anything to the AF0 matters - it seems to me there is nothing in common between those objects except both spin LPs.
And yes, our hobby is very, very complex.
Can't disagree with that.
Lookswise, though, the AF3 is alright I reckon. Best of the bunch.
I guess I look at the AF0, and then I look at the Vyger. The latter for £60k gives me biaxial air suspension and isolation plus an integrated isolating stand, integrated air bearing LT arm, massive and massively overengineered platter, plinth and motor.
And then I look at the AF0 and think about the £340k excess.
And struggle to see how AF0 really goes SIGNIFICANTLY beyond the Vyger.
And then I look at the AF0 and think about the £340k excess.
And struggle to see how AF0 really goes SIGNIFICANTLY beyond the Vyger.
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