thx . I assumed that as it was possible to find some TotalDac stuff in this part of the world, it should have been the same for the d1-player. I don’t think it is a question of matching but more a question of « taste ».
The first Totaldac D1-Twelve Mk2 DAC in Hong Kong
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Vincent~!
Your DAC is really fantastic~!!!
I'm Trinity DAC user.
Trinity DAC is very awesome, but in case of Extreme's DAC, d1-Seven +
Reclocker is more than Trinity DAC.
I was really surprised with d1-Seven + SGM Extreme.
d1-Twelve MK II goes without saying.
Korean TotalDAC orders amount will be increased more and more.
Very fantastic again
^^
Esotar
Please rate the MSB Select II v TotalDac 12 for us in numbers. from 1- 100.
MSB selec II femto 33 dual power supppl rate is :...……….
TotalDac 12 is:...………………….
I think MSB will be little higher rated 98 ? than TotalDAc ( much lower cost)
Just enter the numbers of the SQ by your opinion and Korean audiophiles who you talked to.
Thanks
d1-Twelve MK II & SGM Extreme
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012114096293
Select II + Femto 33 + Dual power base (Full option is called Mono power base) & SGM Extreme
These movie is made by my customer Muscle Pain (Mr. Chun)
Select II is not full option. So this is not comparison you want.
Korean audiophiles actually choose Select II.
But Muscle Pain choose d1-Twelve MK II and will sold Select II in December.
My opinion is same to him.
Obviously Select II full option is no. 1 DAC in the world.
But too expensive.
If I have money for ordering Select II full option, I'll order d1-Twelve MK II and upgrade to DarTZeel NHB-468.
I think d1-Twelve MK II is 90% of Select II. (In Korea, I didn't find the audiophile who has Select II full option.)
MSB is Genius group.
TotalDAC is Genius group and uses world best parts.
Price is highly reasonable.
I want to give plus points to Vincent's kind making.
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Thank you very much Esotar!
Note that this d1-twelve-mk2 is not full option either, full option would be with live-power and with d1-driver. This full option setup will be used for next Paris hifi show the 7th and 8th of December.
Note that this d1-twelve-mk2 is not full option either, full option would be with live-power and with d1-driver. This full option setup will be used for next Paris hifi show the 7th and 8th of December.
Vincent~!
I have a lot of questions.
Top Audio Mr. Lee doesn't have infos about digital device. Ha Ha
I have to introduce your great products to customers instead of him.
Korean distributors are almost idiots.
Q1. d1-Seven & d1-Direct difference features
Q2. Easy introduction about d1-Driver
Korean HI FI market has no infos.
I'm the one who have the most infos about HI FI.
But I'm only digital products seller. So I can't understand about d1-Driver.
Now, no Korean audiophiles has d1-Driver.
Emile has highly recommend d1-Driver, but his explanation is too difficult to me. Ha Ha
Please answer me about upper questions.
^^
Tank you Esotar
Vincent is right . There is live power upgrate missing as well as there are no D1 drivers that change the sound very significant.
This is the best MSB has to offer us - MSB Select 2 witl mono options and femto 33.
Vincent has also TotalDAC 24 that is a TOP solution in balanced chain.
I would love to compare MSB select 2 full option with TotalDac 24 with live option and 2 Mono Drivers to keep it balanced.
In this comparison I think TotalDAC could be much better than MSB select2.
Vincent is right . There is live power upgrate missing as well as there are no D1 drivers that change the sound very significant.
This is the best MSB has to offer us - MSB Select 2 witl mono options and femto 33.
Vincent has also TotalDAC 24 that is a TOP solution in balanced chain.
I would love to compare MSB select 2 full option with TotalDac 24 with live option and 2 Mono Drivers to keep it balanced.
In this comparison I think TotalDAC could be much better than MSB select2.
The reason Muscle Pain didn't order Live Power is funny.
I heard to Top Audio that Vincent said Live Power is for reducing expensive power cable to only one
and sound is not different. Ha Ha
Korean distributors are very idiot like this.
Top Audio was never inform d1-Driver is very awesome.
I'm informing d1-Driver to customers now.
The problem for selling d1-Driver is balance connection is needed two devices.
My customers all use XLR.
I'm also very highly interested with d1-24.
But too many. Ha Ha
I have no doubt for sound quality.
Vincent is Genius and honest engineer.
Hello Esotar,
"Q1. d1-Seven & d1-Direct difference features"
The d1-seven has 3.2V RCA outputs and 6.4V balanced XLR outputs. It uses a transistor output stage.
The d1-direct has no active output stage (no transistor, no tube), the output is direct from the R2R ladders, via only an offset cancellation system.
The d1-direct has unbalanced outputs only, 1.6V on RCA and XLR.
So the d1-seven is more universal because it has both unbalanced and balanced outputs, and more output voltage when needed.
All these informations are already on Totaldac web site.
About listening, the d1-direct can give an even higher sound quality, more transparent, more natural, more 3D, and this is even more true when the d1-driver is used after the DAC.
The difference is sound is quite similar to the sound difference between the unbuffered and the buffered outputs of the d1-twelve.mk2, and most people prefer the unbuffered output.
"Q2. Easy introduction about d1-Driver"
The d1-driver is an analog driver. It has analog inputs and analog outputs. It amplifies the signal power.
It prevents the electrical wave from the speaker from coming back into the DAC.
It is connected at the DAC output, and it can control a power amplifier or an integrated amplifier or a preamp.
About listening, adding the driver to any DAC improves drastically the control at all frequencies, making better bass, better dynamic, better presence, better realism, better 3D and without any loss of transparency.
It is made to improve the sound quality of all Totaldac DACs, and it has also been tested with success on a MSB Select by mono&stereo.
"about live-power"
Yes the one-box liver power allows to use a single power cord to supply the low voltage power to a multi-box Totaldac DAC, even also to feed a d1-driver or a streamer, but the first aim of the live power is to improve the sound quality as mentioned in the web site. This is why the live power also exists as a small box with a single output.
The one-box big enclosure (same size as a Totaldac DAC) embeds also a massive copper plate and silent blocs which the small enclosure can't embed.
If you can't get enough technical information from a distributor, check the Totaldac web site, informations should be there. I am also available to answer technical questions even from countries in Asia covered by a distributor.
"Q1. d1-Seven & d1-Direct difference features"
The d1-seven has 3.2V RCA outputs and 6.4V balanced XLR outputs. It uses a transistor output stage.
The d1-direct has no active output stage (no transistor, no tube), the output is direct from the R2R ladders, via only an offset cancellation system.
The d1-direct has unbalanced outputs only, 1.6V on RCA and XLR.
So the d1-seven is more universal because it has both unbalanced and balanced outputs, and more output voltage when needed.
All these informations are already on Totaldac web site.
About listening, the d1-direct can give an even higher sound quality, more transparent, more natural, more 3D, and this is even more true when the d1-driver is used after the DAC.
The difference is sound is quite similar to the sound difference between the unbuffered and the buffered outputs of the d1-twelve.mk2, and most people prefer the unbuffered output.
"Q2. Easy introduction about d1-Driver"
The d1-driver is an analog driver. It has analog inputs and analog outputs. It amplifies the signal power.
It prevents the electrical wave from the speaker from coming back into the DAC.
It is connected at the DAC output, and it can control a power amplifier or an integrated amplifier or a preamp.
About listening, adding the driver to any DAC improves drastically the control at all frequencies, making better bass, better dynamic, better presence, better realism, better 3D and without any loss of transparency.
It is made to improve the sound quality of all Totaldac DACs, and it has also been tested with success on a MSB Select by mono&stereo.
"about live-power"
Yes the one-box liver power allows to use a single power cord to supply the low voltage power to a multi-box Totaldac DAC, even also to feed a d1-driver or a streamer, but the first aim of the live power is to improve the sound quality as mentioned in the web site. This is why the live power also exists as a small box with a single output.
The one-box big enclosure (same size as a Totaldac DAC) embeds also a massive copper plate and silent blocs which the small enclosure can't embed.
If you can't get enough technical information from a distributor, check the Totaldac web site, informations should be there. I am also available to answer technical questions even from countries in Asia covered by a distributor.
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Thanks so much, Vincent~!!!
I understood them perfectly.
I'm very interested with d1-Direct quality.
In Korea, my recommendation is the most powerful. It's true.
I make my customers not use RCA output.
So many audiophiles use XLR.
I heard to Emile Matej Isak system was no. 1.
Matej Isak's Select II is not full option, but sound was fantastic.
Emile thinks that using d1-Driver makes Select II much greater.
So I'll inform d1-Driver to Korean distributor.
But because almost audiophiles use XLR, they must buy two d1-Driver.
Korea is not rich country.
To order two d1-Driver is very burden for Korean audiophiles.
But I'll do my best for informing and selling d1-Driver.
^^
If in Korea you are not rich and if you want the best sound, consider RCA links!
I use mostly RCA analog interconnects in my seek of the best sound.
I use mostly RCA analog interconnects in my seek of the best sound.
If in Korea you are not rich and if you want the best sound, consider RCA links!
I use mostly RCA analog interconnects in my seek of the best sound.
Someday I'll order TWO d1-Drivers.
Wait for me~!! Ha Ha
Great Explanation Vincent.
I think you are missing the info about the TotalDac 24 output.
Can you please give us short info : There is NO ouput stage , It is unbuffered ,
What is the voltage at XLR you get with NO output stage ?
Will adding the ouput stage make sense here ?
Lastly adding the 2 separate mono D1 Drivers will improve the sound very significant.
Hi Kris,
The d1-24 has only unbuffered outputs. These outputs are natively balanced (because made of roughly two d1-twelve, one for the positive signal and one for the negative signal).
The balanced output voltage is 3.2Vrms.
No need to add an output stage. The best solution consists in adding a pair of balanced d1-drivers. The sound improvement should be significant. At least it is significant when added to the d1-twelve-mk2.
Vincent, d1-24 is 8 stacks, right?
Q1. I want to know about each component infos.
Q2. How many do power cables be needed?
Q3. d1-24 has added option components???
I believe d1-24 will be super fantastic.
But I hope d1-24 full option is not like CH C1 MONO full option.
That's crazy.
Yes Esotar d1-24 is crazy, this is why it is for custom orders only.
It is composed of:
-4 DAC monoblocs
-3 reclocker
-1 power supply
One power cord is enough to supply it.
It can have the same options as the d1-twelve-mk2 because roughly it is made of two d1-twelve-mk2
TWO d1- Drivers are needed???
Power Supply has 10 rails??? or in case of full option orderers have to use three power cable???
d1-Twelve MK II users can charge upgrade????
Excellent thread! I have a few questions.
- What are the sonic benefits of Live Power? Bass slam, bass detail, bass texture, other, all of the above? How does it change the tonal balance?
- If one is using a preamp, should one at all care about 3.2V RCA vs. 6.4V? Is this only a concern for guys driving their amplifier(s) using the TotalDAC volume control?
- What are the differences in TotalDac sound using AES vs. USB? Is it a big difference? Worth having both options?
Thanks in advance for the replies!
- What are the sonic benefits of Live Power? Bass slam, bass detail, bass texture, other, all of the above? How does it change the tonal balance?
- If one is using a preamp, should one at all care about 3.2V RCA vs. 6.4V? Is this only a concern for guys driving their amplifier(s) using the TotalDAC volume control?
- What are the differences in TotalDac sound using AES vs. USB? Is it a big difference? Worth having both options?
Thanks in advance for the replies!
Yes two d1-driver is a way of improving it (or replacing a preamp).
The power supply for two d1-drivers can be integrated in a one-box live-power power supply. That would make a single power cord for both d1-drivers.
Yes it is possible to upgrade a d1-twelve-mk2 to a custom d1-24.
Thanks for kind answer~!!!
Wow~!
You are really reasonable GENIUS.
10 stacks ---> only two power cables~!!!
Fantastic~!!!
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