Sublime Sound

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2009 Soundstage Lamm LL2.1

"We can describe music and its reproduction via a core analysis of dynamics, rhythm, and tonality. But apart from an orchestra conductor’s internal vision, looking at these elements of a score does little to communicate the art of a performance. I found that the LL2.1 revealed its character not through analysis but holistically. Listening through it was like sitting farther back in the hall -- not in terms of image scale or dynamic impact, but in the sense that it seldom pulled my perceptions into tight diagnostic focus. While I never forgot that I was reviewing the Lamm, this awareness seldom took me out of the moment -- in fact, just the opposite. While I heard gobs of musical minutiae, the LL2.1’s personality was of a whole; it delivered music with the completeness of its designer’s vision."

By the end of my listening sessions, the audiophile words tended to fall away. The LL2.1’s expressive flow, stalwart bass, and superb dynamics, combined with a wonderful sense of acoustic presence and harmonic rightness, made me stop thinking about componentry, and drew me in for many a joyful night of musical satisfaction. Its virtue is its guileless blending of these attributes into a unified whole. To my ears, it just felt like home. I described the Lamm’s sound as holistic -- a word that might take on more meaning for you after you’ve heard it. When you have, tell me if you think otherwise. I say "Thank you, Vladimir" -- it’s good to be an audiophile. "

2015 The Audio Beat Lamm M1.2 Ref

" ... They delivered sound with concert-hall authority, realistic tonality and unflinching honesty that caused me to immediately engage with the music. The emotional pleasure we get when we lose ourselves in music and arrive at that locus of disbelief, slipping out of our audio systems and into the reality of the performance, is the apex of enjoyment for many an audiophile. It’s what I call the audiophile miracle, a kind of sonic transubstantiation whereby metal, glass and wire turn into joy.

The Lamm amps are limbic-driving joy machines -- miracle makers that kept me up all night begging for just one more record. These are amps for musicians, not analyticians. ..."

Tim,

Thanks for pointing again these excellent characteristics of Lamm equipment - however people do not seem to believe it , no one has shown any interest in the Lamm products I advertised during the last months at give away prices. I really appreciate the M1.2 Reference I am selling just the extra pair as I gave up on the idea of bi-amplification - the second pair was for the Watchdog subs ...

IMHO the interesting followup is asking what are these comnents worth for consumers and interested audiophiles if they feel that we can get exactly the same effect removing tweaks, adding some toe-out, a few cheap power cables or some O-rings?

 

[PeterA]

Yes, I am curious on such audiophile matters. I have told it many times. I appreciate to know and discuss the whys's. Perhaps you are right, people are not curious anymore in WBF - it is probably why this thread is becoming mystical.

Fransisco, you seem to want to speak for the community. First you say that "audiophiles" want to know, but when pressed, you admit that it is really you. Now you claim that Al thinks people in WBF are no longer curious. He never said such a thing. You claim to like precision, yet you mischaracterize other's comments and seem pretty inaccurate in your own assertions.

Who says this thread is becoming "mystical"? Marc? He left the discussion feeling cold and unable to relate. Bonzo fell asleep. Some others, however, seem interested in reading and sharing their views. Even Mr. van den Hul and Dr. Poltun have enjoyed Al's description of what he heard the other night and my response including the rabbit's footprints in the snow. Mr. van den Hul writing me that Al's description captures well what he has been trying to achieve ever since the creation of his first Colibri cartridge, and Dr. Poltun enjoying the language and writing style. Incidentally, Mr. van den Hul credits his visits to Vienna as Dr. Poltun's guest as being instrumental, even essential to his understanding of sound. These are two gentlemen, one an artist, the other a great student of music, who understand music, its reproduction, and how to communicate what they hear. I do not think either appreciates audiophile distractions.

If you think there are topics that came up recently in this thread worthy of further discussion, but you do not like the direction the thread is going, perhaps you should start a new thread identifying which topics are of interest to you and see if members want to pursue them someplace a bit less mystical and more precise, with language to which you can relate.

 

[PeterA]

Yes, but as soon as you start using this "managing energy" nomenclature you put an end to any effort trying to merge the objective and subjective, the main aim of most audiophile discussions. You start mixing the hall and the room acoustics, and sharing experiences becomes simply an entertaining narrative, no more a learning experience.

Fransisco, I think the opposite. It is in the last year or so where I have learned more and made more progress in understanding the sound of my system than in all the years before. And it is this comparison of hall and room acoustics that finally makes sense to me. The sharing of experiences and the "managing energy" nomenclature has in fact facilitated the process for me.

I understand little of the objective, so I leave that to the designers. I tend to listen and make my choices. I am improving my listening though, and yes, that is subjective and preference based. I also am paying attention to those with more experience and seeing where their experience leads me.

 

[microstrip]

Fransisco, you seem to want to speak for the community. First you say that "audiophiles" want to know, but when pressed, you admit that it is really you. Now you claim that Al thinks people in WBF are no longer curious. He never said such a thing. You claim to like precision, yet you mischaracterize other's comments and seem pretty inaccurate in your own assertions.

Who says this thread is becoming "mystical"? Marc? He left the discussion feeling cold and unable to relate. Bonzo fell asleep. Some others, however, seem interested in reading and sharing their views. Even Mr. van den Hul and Dr. Poltun have enjoyed Al's description of what he heard the other night and my response including the rabbit's footprints in the snow. Mr. van den Hul writing me that Al's description captures well what he has been trying to achieve ever since the creation of his first Colibri cartridge, and Dr. Poltun enjoying the language and writing style. Incidentally, Mr. van den Hul credits his visits to Vienna as Dr. Poltun's guest as being instrumental, even essential to his understanding of sound. These are two gentlemen, one an artist, the other a great student of music, who understand music, its reproduction, and how to communicate what they hear. I do not think either appreciates audiophile distractions.

If you think there are topics that came up recently in this thread worthy of further discussion, but you do not like the direction the thread is going, perhaps you should start a new thread identifying which topics are of interest to you and see if members want to pursue them someplace a bit less mystical and more precise, with language to which you can relate.

Peter,

I would risk to say that you are unable to separate the style and messenger from the message. I am just speaking for myself, when I write that audiophiles are curious it includes an implicit smile, it is not an universal truth ...

No need to point me that a few people enjoyed your posts - I also enjoy them even if I disagree in some aspects that I am pointing. IMHO starting a new thread would not make me the owner of it, something I do not desire.

 

[Tango]

no one has shown any interest in the Lamm products I advertised during the last months at give away prices.

Could it be that people view your Lamm as a women who's been through four different divorces? Can't help people not to think...?

 

[microstrip]

Could it be that people view your Lamm as a women who's been through four different divorces? Can't help people not to think...?

Well, I hope not. They were touched and blessed by Vladimir Lamm before reaching my hands ... And the knowledgeable audiophile shoud know that Lamm equipment is built to last forever.

BTW, only the ML3 has a glorious history in his past, all else I am just the second owner.

 

[bonzo75]

The SETs amp market in the EU is too competitive

 

[jeff1225]

Well, I hope not. They were touched and blessed by Vladimir Lamm before reaching my hands ... And the knowledgeable audiophile shoud know that Lamm equipment is built to last forever.

BTW, only the ML3 has a glorious history in his past, all else I am just the second owner.

Were these MikeL's ML3's?

 

[bonzo75]

Were these MikeL's ML3's?

Yes

Sincerely,

Forum accountant

 

[Lagonda]

Could it be that people view your Lamm as a women who's been through four different divorces? Can't help people not to think...?

Or 4 times a widow Scary !

 

[Lagonda]

Well, I hope not. They were touched and blessed by Vladimir Lamm before reaching my hands ... And the knowledgeable audiophile shoud know that Lamm equipment is built to last forever.

BTW, only the ML3 has a glorious history in his past, all else I am just the second owner.

And only used on Sundays by a 80 year old man !You are starting to sound like a used car salesman Francisco

 

[ddk]

Tim,

Thanks for pointing again these excellent characteristics of Lamm equipment - however people do not seem to believe it , no one has shown any interest in the Lamm products I advertised during the last months at give away prices. I really appreciate the M1.2 Reference I am selling just the extra pair as I gave up on the idea of bi-amplification - the second pair was for the Watchdog subs ...

IMHO the interesting followup is asking what are these comnents worth for consumers and interested audiophiles if they feel that we can get exactly the same effect removing tweaks, adding some toe-out, a few cheap power cables or some O-rings?

Hi Francisco,
It's not about cheap power cords, o'rings or toe out. Not zen, the occult nor any other abstraction, getting rid of what hurts you is common sense and in this case the entity is a system. Get rid of what changes the nature of your components with addition, subtraction or distortion and because it's such a simple concept it has elegant simple solutions too but getting it right is fundamental to real advancement. Conversely "Natural" is a simple word and "natural sound" a simple concept, the beauty of all this is its all around simplicity. To me it looks like the objection here and over in other threads seems to be accepting simplicity, and nothing else really. Looking for expansion and verbiage when it's not needed complexity and difficulty when it's not wanted. You don't need a "guru" with "a book" and "the path" just fix what's right in front of you.

david

Edit- The conversation would be very different if Peter had made the same moves but spent a ton of money. $10k power cords instead of inexpensive Ching Chengs, $20k rack instead of his own simple one, $30k for measurements and additional unnecessary treatment instead of simply rearranging the room to manage the sound!

 

[bonzo75]

You are starting to sound like a used car salesman Fransisco

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Well then can I have a test drive

 

[jeff1225]

Yes

Sincerely,

Forum accountant

Then he would be the third owner no?

Sincerely
Forum accountability officer

 

[Lagonda]

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Well then can I have a test drive

Depends, are you Truly willing to buy, or are you Marc ?

 

[bonzo75]

Depends, are you Truly willing to buy, or are you Marc ?

Marc buys without much testing, because of the story associated with the car

 

[Lagonda]

Marc buys without much testing, because of the story associated with the car

I counter with ! Marc tests a lot without buying

 

[bonzo75]

Then he would be the third owner no?

Sincerely
Forum accountability officer

Alf, Mike, micro. Guess the 4 is Tang exaggeration factor

 

[Lagonda]

Alf, Mike, micro. Guess the 4 is Tang exaggeration factor

I was my first wife’s 5 husband, she is now doing life for murdering number 6

 

[bonzo75]

I was my first wife’s 5 husband, she is now doing life for murdering number 6

What happened to the first 4