Natural Sound

Ron Resnick · Sep 8, 2023

PeterA said:
Ron tells me what to write on my system thread

Because I encouraged you to buy an external microphone and download a real time analyzer app so you could measure your system's frequency response (since you seemed quite interested in my frequency response experiments, and you were dismissive of the possibility that your speakers could be rolling off high frequencies)?

Joe Whip · Sep 8, 2023

I am sorry Amir, but I have enough experience in this hobby to listen for myself to make a judgment. I have heard all kinds of stuff that gurus claim is the best. Not all that often do I agree.

PeterA · Sep 8, 2023

Ron Resnick said:
Because I encouraged you to buy an external microphone and download a real time analyzer app so you could measure your system's frequency response (since you seemed quite interested in my frequency response experiments, and you were dismissive of the possibility that your speakers could be rolling off high frequencies)?

Boy you have a short memory. You just wrote this today:

But instead of dancing around Brad's question why don't you just forthrightly say: "You are correct. In my room on my current loudspeakers I have never compared any other SET amplifier to the ML2."

Ron Resnick · Sep 8, 2023

PeterA said:
Boy you have a short memory. You just wrote this today:

But instead of dancing around Brad's question why don't you just forthrightly say: "You are correct. In my room on my current loudspeakers I have never compared any other SET amplifier to the ML2."

Oh, okay. I understand. Thank you for explaining.

I think forthright answers promote effective communication and mutual understanding.

PeterA · Sep 8, 2023

tima said:
Sounds to me like Peter is saying some components sound better than others. Or some performance venues are better than others? Is the Musikverein a better hall than your high-school auditorium? And he lists some that he thinks do. Is that controversial? Is Your Great Struggle the fight for component equity? Gawd help those who say X is better than Y, or Z is not good -- they will start another ox bow incident.

But hey, is it not all individual personal subjective opinion -- to say it with resnickian flair? Are not each of us entitled to that? Or only some of us? Or only some opinions. Is Peter or anyone not allowed to say X, Y and Z are the best. Doesn't this forum clamor for the conflict of What's Best?

Underneath all this are the real issues. I see implied (ha ha ha) in your words that Peter is arrogant by virtue of naming his thread 'Natural Sound'. Several have carried that grudge for a long time.

And on it goes blah blah blah... Until we get to the Grand Indictment

Ooooo. It is tempting to say STFW. But what is the point of the continual haranguing by you, resnick, lavigne and your coterie of pearl clutchers? Why the constant attack? You can't let it go. Is it merely a show of defensive self-righteous rectitude you believe will score points, or is there something else?

“say it with resnickian flair”

“ your coterie of pearl clutchers”

“Is it merely a show of defensive self righteous rectitude“

Tim, I appreciate your style and way with words. Great post.

Al M. · Sep 8, 2023

PeterA said:
Great post.

Not great enough for me to have found it worth replying to.

PeterA · Sep 8, 2023

Al M. said:
Not great enough for me to have found it worth replying to.

There is no need to respond. What could you possibly say now? Tim said everything that needs to be said about your and Ron’s incessant ankle biting on the topic of natural sound and my system.

PeterA · Sep 8, 2023

Ron Resnick said:
Because I encouraged you to buy an external microphone and download a real time analyzer app so you could measure your system's frequency response (since you seemed quite interested in my frequency response experiments, and you were dismissive of the possibility that your speakers could be rolling off high frequencies)?

More nonsense.

You told me to get a mic and measure my system. You also told me to play my videos through my system. I politely told you that I would consider it. I have not done it yet.

I am curious about the measurements you presented of your system because they do not seem to reflect what I hear from your videos. That is all. I do not have an interest in measuring systems per se. I also know my corner horns are specified as either 14K or 15K Hz. I am not dismissive about anything. I know full well that they do not extend to 20K like many people want. I bought the speakers because I like the way they present music. Simple as that.

christoph · Sep 8, 2023

Maybe people should really leave this thread be and have Peter and Tim pat each others shoulders ad infinitum, undisturbed

tima · Sep 8, 2023

christoph said:
Maybe people should really leave this thread be and have Peter and Tim pat each others shoulders ad infinitum, undisturbed

Interesting comment from a moderator telling people to leave a thread.

PeterA · Sep 8, 2023

christoph said:
Maybe people should really leave this thread be and have Peter and Tim pat each others shoulders ad infinitum, undisturbed

I always knew the moderators were biased. Emojis show laziness.

Argonaut · Sep 9, 2023

PeterA said:
I’m not just relying on faith, I’ve heard these amplifiers drive a variety of speakers, including my former Magico Q3. I like the sound. I am not simply relying on what DDK told me. This is not about DDK.

Oh really … You mean the same DDK who sold to you your previous turntable , tonearm and pickup cartridge, recently replaced with a significantly more expensive turntable of his manufacture …presumably being a Lamm dealer your phono , pre and power amplifiers ? Your power cables and of course your vintage transducers … I am presuming he didn’t supply your room treatment planks tho

Ergo your ‘Natural Sound’ system !

XV-1 · Sep 9, 2023

PeterA said:
More nonsense.

You told me to get a mic and measure my system. You also told me to play my videos through my system. I politely told you that I would consider it. I have not done it yet.

I am curious about the measurements you presented of your system because they do not seem to reflect what I hear from your videos. That is all. I do not have an interest in measuring systems per se. I also know my corner horns are specified as either 14K or 15K Hz. I am not dismissive about anything. I know full well that they do not extend to 20K like many people want. I bought the speakers because I like the way they present music. Simple as that.

Peter

Nothing wrong with a system that makes all music sound pleasant, or a you like say natural.

XV-1 · Sep 9, 2023

Joe Whip said:
What does or does not constitute natural sound is simply personal preference. There is no objective standard,. Some of the posts here are just silly. Like what you like. It does not matter to me. Endless bickering over what amounts to first world problems.

That is basically what WBF is. A bunch of guys with excess disposal income spending it on hifi toys and debating what's best

First world problems to the extreme.

christoph · Sep 9, 2023

tima said:
Interesting comment from a moderator telling people to leave a thread.

I have written this as a normal "Well-known Member".

This is my personal private remark to your and Peter's tag-teaming in this thread

christoph · Sep 9, 2023

PeterA said:
I always knew the moderators were biased. Emojis show laziness.

I have written this as a normal "Well-known Member".

This is my personal private remark to your and Tim's tag-teaming in this thread

What do you think the moderators are biased (against?) ?

Al M. · Sep 9, 2023

PeterA said:
Emojis show laziness.

How so? I think they are a great expressive tool. For example, as a substitute for facial expression in a personal conversation that gets lost in writing over the web.

Would you want to write out the emotion that you want to convey instead? That can be done in some cases, in many others it would just be clumsy.

Would you want to leave them out completely in all cases? That could lead to misunderstandings in some cases.

***

Given all that, how exactly again do emojis show laziness?

tima · Sep 9, 2023

christoph said:
Maybe people should really leave this thread be and have Peter and Tim pat each others shoulders ad infinitum, undisturbed

christoph said:
I have written this as a normal "Well-known Member".

This is my personal private remark to your and Peter's tag-teaming in this thread

It is still an interesting comment from a Well-known Member who is a moderator.

bonzo75 · Sep 9, 2023

XV-1 said:
A bunch of guys with excess disposal income spending it on hifi toys and debating what's best

And being sensitive about it

XV-1 · Sep 9, 2023

bonzo75 said:
And being sensitive about it

some are, I would hope most are not.

slight difference between buying the wrong cancer treatment and buying the wrong speakers

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