Tidal La Assoluta system

Audiocrack said:
As regards your listening experiences: all the binding posts in your Tripoint Audio Troy signature NG are completely isolated from each other. So there can be no crosstalk between components connected to different binding posts. However, I am wondering: are you perhaps connecting multiple audio components (including the Farad) to one binding post of the Troy NG? This could have created some kind of crosstalk between these components and might explain your bad sound. In addition, may I ask which grounding cables you are using?
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Yes, I know that the Troy Sig NG ground posts are completely isolated from each other. Since I typically use 2 grounding cables on one post (sometimes three), I try to match them logically based on the functions.
I do not mix power, digital and analog lines. The grounding cables I use:
Power grounding cable to the wall: Tripoint Thor groundig cable.
Digital line: Pink Faun Ultra streamer, Lampizator Pacific DAC, and power line: preamplifier PSU, JMF 302 power filter distributor: Tripoint Silver, Silver SE.
Analog line: 2x Engström Lars2 monoblock and Engström Monica preamplifier: Ikigai Kinzan grounding cable
 
alex3 said:
Yes, I know that the Troy Sig NG ground posts are completely isolated from each other. Since I typically use 2 grounding cables on one post (sometimes three), I try to match them logically based on the functions.
I do not mix power, digital and analog lines. The grounding cables I use:
Power grounding cable to the wall: Tripoint Thor groundig cable.
Digital line: Pink Faun Ultra streamer, Lampizator Pacific DAC, and power line: preamplifier PSU, JMF 302 power filter distributor: Tripoint Silver, Silver SE.
Analog line: 2x Engström Lars2 monoblock and Engström Monica preamplifier: Ikigai Kinzan grounding cable
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It seems that the Farad is creating such a amount of noise or pollution that it is infecting other audio components in a very negative way. It is relatively easy to establish whether this is indeed the case: connect (only) the Farad to one binding posts and other audio components to different binding posts of your Tripoint device and listen what happens.

In my LA system for example I need to give the powercord of the Tripoint Audio ‘grounding’ devices its own binding post: combining this pc with other audio components on one binding posts results in an awful sound.
 
Thanks. I will try what you suggest. Currently, the wall power Thor ground cable is on the same pin as the ground cable for the JMF 302 distributor and the preamplifier power supply. I am very eager for a change.
 
And yes! You were right as always.
For the wall feed, I left only the Thor grounding cable on a separate post, and everything became clearer, smoother, more fluid and natural, with a larger sound surface.
I'll have to reconsider grounding my other units to the Troy NG! I still have 5 grounding posts to use. It turns out that it doesn't matter which units I connect to the same post.
Sometimes less is more.
 
Audiocrack said:
As regards your listening experiences: all the binding posts in your Tripoint Audio Troy signature NG are completely isolated from each other. So there can be no crosstalk between components connected to different binding posts. However, I am wondering: are you perhaps connecting multiple audio components (including the Farad) to one binding post of the Troy NG? This could have created some kind of crosstalk between these components and might explain your bad sound. In addition, may I ask which grounding cables you are using?
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Isn’t the premise behind these grounding solutions to ensure that all of the component chassis (those connected via analog interconnects) are at the same ground potential so that noise cannot be conducted? If so, wouldn’t it be advantageous for the binding posts to be connected together (star grounded)?
 
alex3 said:
And yes! You were right as always.
For the wall feed, I left only the Thor grounding cable on a separate post, and everything became clearer, smoother, more fluid and natural, with a larger sound surface.
I'll have to reconsider grounding my other units to the Troy NG! I still have 5 grounding posts to use. It turns out that it doesn't matter which units I connect to the same post.
Sometimes less is more.
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Good to hear. In my LA system all audio components benefit greatly from grounding, albeit that I avoid connecting multiple component’s to one binding post. I have with two Elite NG mk ii’s, one Emperor NG and two separate units, that is in total 14 filters / binding posts available. If you must combine more components, it is a matter of listening in order to find the best overall configuration.
 
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Young Skywalker said:
Isn’t the premise behind these grounding solutions to ensure that all of the component chassis (those connected via analog interconnects) are at the same ground potential so that noise cannot be conducted? If so, wouldn’t it be advantageous for the binding posts to be connected together (star grounded)?
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Hello,

The old Tripoint Audio Troy units were all star ground design. The new Tripoint Audio NG boxes come with individual filtering; there is an option of a star ground configuration by adding jumpers. At my level of - extreme - grounding, individual configuration yields a higher level of music realism and purity in all parameters. The new Tripoint Audio NG units are dealing with more noise issues than just ground (potential) noise.

Please keep in mind that I have owned every Tripoint Audio generation box and I know from experience after multiple star ground configuration applications.

Hope this helps.
 
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As you know I am playing my Tidal LA’s with Kondo 300b amplifiers. So far I have played with Western Electric 300b valves (many years back), Living Voice (and Kron made) 300b tubes and lately Takatsuki 300b valves. Of these three 300b options I believe I prefer the latter although I never was in a position to make an a/b comparison between the WE and Takatsuki 300b tubes.

Lately Kondo joined forces with Takatsuki in order to make a ‘special’ 300b tube for their Gakuoh poweramps. And yesterday I picked up a quad of these Kondo/Takatsuki 300b tubes and will insert them soon.

Not sure in what way exactly these ‘special’ Kondo / Takatsuki 300b tubes differ from the ‘regular’ Takatsuki 300b valves. From the outside it is clear though that the ‘footers’ / pins of the former are different.

Will share some pictures of these new Kondo / Takatsuki 300b tubes in a few minutes.
 
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In addition I concur with Roy’s conclusions - as I have shared previously in this thread - that a. the Ultra isolatior is superior to the Classic isolator and b. adding a second Ultra isolator (so one Ultra connected to the server and a second Ultra connected between the router and the switch) brings significant additional sonic improvements.
 
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One final remark as regards Roy’s review of the Aardvark Ultra isolator: in my LA system the Ultra clearly needed more than the 24 hours of burning in that he mentioned in his review. Although from the first notes clearly superior to the Classic isolator - please keep in mind that Eduardo was so kind to burn in my second Ultra device at his workshop in Argentina for more than the usual 50 hours - the Ultra got significantly better in say the first 100 hours in my LA system.
 
Hi Audiocrack,

Since this is a Tidal La Assoluta thread, a question for you on Tidal. Have you heard the new Sunray G3 or heard anything about it? I see that the design has moved away from the earlier 2 generations of Sunray's by quite a bit. A lot more cones in front and 6 passive cones in back...it seems influenced by your La Assoluta. Would love to know more if you have heard anything or know anything. Thanks!
 
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Hi Audiocrack,

Since this is a Tidal La Assoluta thread, a question for you on Tidal. Have you heard the new Sunray G3 or heard anything about it? I see that the design has moved away from the earlier 2 generations of Sunray's by quite a bit. A lot more cones in front and 6 passive cones in back...it seems influenced by your La Assoluta. Would love to know more if you have heard anything or know anything. Thanks!
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Hello Lloyd,

I have been informed that Tidal has stopped - or they will stop very soon - producing the La Assoluta loudspeakers. So there will be no LA G2 version.

And yes, you are completely right that the new Tidal Sunday G3 was influenced by the LA’s although there are clear differences as well such as for example three diamond drivers (LA) versus two diamond drivers (Sunray G3), while altogether the latter has more drivers and passive radiators at the back than the former. I have not heard the Sunray G3 loudspeakers (yet) so I do not know how Tidal’s latest transducers compare to the LA’s.

That said I (still) consider the Tidal LA an absolute masterpiece. And the LA’s have in my view one big advance over all other Tidal loudspeakers with the only exception of the Tidal Akira’s: grounding was an integral part of their concept. Both the LA’s and the Akira’s are the only Tidal loudspeakers equipped with dedicated grounding posts. And grounding in general and the LA’s in particular with the top notch Tripoint Audio ‘grounding’ devices and grounding cables makes a profound sonic difference for the better in my set up!
 
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Please allow me to add one more thing Lloyd: the sensitivity of my LA’s is clearly higher than the new Sunday G3 loudspeakers (and - as far as I know - all other Tidal loudspeakers). For me that is a very important issue because I am still very fond of (inter alia) the purity of my low wattage Kondo amplifiers. And I do not know if my Kondo amps will be a (really) good match with for example the new Sunday G3 transducers.
 
Audiocrack said:
Audiocrack said:
Hello Lloyd,

I have been informed that Tidal has stopped - or they will stop very soon - producing the La Assoluta loudspeakers. So there will be no LA G2 version.

And yes, you are completely right that the new Tidal Sunday G3 was influenced by the LA’s although there are clear differences as well such as for example three diamond drivers (LA) versus two diamond drivers (Sunray G3), while altogether the latter has more drivers and passive radiators at the back than the former. I have not heard the Sunray G3 loudspeakers (yet) so I do not know how Tidal’s latest transducers compare to the LA’s.

That said I (still) consider the Tidal LA an absolute masterpiece. And the LA’s have in my view one big advance over all other Tidal loudspeakers with the only exception of the Tidal Akira’s: grounding was an integral part of their concept. Both the LA’s and the Akira’s are the only Tidal loudspeakers equipped with dedicated grounding posts. And grounding in general and the LA’s in particular with the top notch Tripoint Audio ‘grounding’ devices and grounding cables makes a profound sonic difference for the better in my set up!
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Audiocrack said:
Please allow me to add one more thing Lloyd: the sensitivity of my LA’s is clearly higher than the new Sunday G3 loudspeakers (and - as far as I know - all other Tidal loudspeakers). For me that is a very important issue because I am still very fond of (inter alia) the purity of my low wattage Kondo amplifiers. And I do not know if my Kondo amps will be a (really) good match with for example the new Sunday G3 transducers.
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Thank you! Very interesting. I wonder if the Sunray G3 to La Assoluta is the XVX to the WAMM. Sounds like it could be. In any event, the sensitivity point is an important one...the G3 is around 89 db or 1db higher than the Sunray G2 I believe. Whereas your La Assoluta appears to be around 94db or so (the website says La Assoluta is 6db higher than the Sunray...which at the time (G2) was 88db.)

I have heard great things about the Akiras which appear to be 1/2 of the La Assoluta.
 
BTW, given the cost, I wonder how the Tidal LA compares with the Sunray G3 + matching tower subs. Given the 30cm width of the Sunray G3s, it is easier to fit the dual tower subs in...
 
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