A new star in 2019 : Innuos Statement Server
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I don't remember anybody making excuses for a lack of a manual, specially not the one you put out there.
For the record: the Innuos products DO come with printed documentation. It's just not up to the level Francisco requires and/or expects.
There is also an online manual available here as well: http://www.innuos.com/en/go/innuos-manual
As it's such a simple product (the bulk of the complexity will lie with Roon), the documentation is perfectly adequate for the intended target audience, and as Francisco himself clearly laid out a few posts ago, his preference is for a different kind of server.
thanks,
Alex
For the record: the Innuos products DO come with printed documentation. It's just not up to the level Francisco requires and/or expects.
There is also an online manual available here as well: http://www.innuos.com/en/go/innuos-manual
As it's such a simple product (the bulk of the complexity will lie with Roon), the documentation is perfectly adequate for the intended target audience, and as Francisco himself clearly laid out a few posts ago, his preference is for a different kind of server.
thanks,
Alex
Whenever I have a question I just refer to this...http://www.innuos.com/en/go/innuos-manual. I recently had an issue that I wasn’t able to resolve on my own that was handled by the Innuos support promptly.
Innuos Statement gets metadata from Gracenote and GD3 during ripping.
But for the details of the process, you have to ask the Innuos customer support dept.
You are manipulating the argument - anyway the proof of my point is that even you, were not able to answer my simple question that I already asked a few weeks ago.
The high-end is a very special industry. Most of the time, manufacturers and dealers do not want to tell us the complete truth about their products, particularly concerning digital products. They give us just enough to keep our interest, nothing else. Innuos is not different from other companies - and surely they do a great job and have a great product.
I appreciate technical aspects and fortunately we have a forum where some people also enjoy knowing more than marketing literature. It is why I ask questions, even knowing there is a probability they will not be answered. This happened before, for example when debated the Trinity DAC some years ago. Surely I will not ask questions about products that I have no interest in.
We have companies that consider that systems are a turn-key affair, where consumers should be passive listeners and only dealers or distributors should access the equipment set-up. Goldmund, for example is one of them and many people like their great systems. I respect the position, but it is not my cup of tea in this hobby. I am a hands-on curious audiophile.
FIY I am also discussing these aspects and our forum debates with the Innuos dealer, who is a good friend.
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Alex,
No, my preference is not for a different type of sever, it is for different type of documentation, information and a few extra features. The Statement seems an excellent choice for the DCS Vivaldi stack.
Also IMHO the indented audience and level of exigence of a 12k euros server is not the same of that of a 3k euros server. BTW I now know that Innuos people consider some of my points - they will probably address some of them in due time.
See for example this table on ripping software - it has the level of details some of us like to know. IMHO expensive servers with ripping features should supply similar information. https://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Comparison_of_CD_rippers
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Francisco,
That link you sent only shows specific pieces of software, no "expensive servers with ripping features", which implies a hardware+software solution. It is quite possible Innuos is using one of those, but this information is, frankly, irrelevant to 99% of the population. For the 1% that needs to know, the dealer/brand is always available to provide it. There's no sinister conspiracy aiming to keep you away from information, but a conscious decision to simplify what's a complex matter.
When I say the Innuos is not your kind of server is because you don't want that simplification, or at least do not appreciate it. That's fine. That was just my observation, and seeing how there are other servers out there that do not hide the complexities of it all, you might be better served by those, than one in which the company tries their best to hide the complexities instead of exposing them.
I'm glad you're enjoying the SQ with your Vivaldi, and hopefully the information you want will be coming soon
Have you done any ripping comparisons, between the Innuos x a computer running one of the software in your link?
cheers,
Alex
That link you sent only shows specific pieces of software, no "expensive servers with ripping features", which implies a hardware+software solution. It is quite possible Innuos is using one of those, but this information is, frankly, irrelevant to 99% of the population. For the 1% that needs to know, the dealer/brand is always available to provide it. There's no sinister conspiracy aiming to keep you away from information, but a conscious decision to simplify what's a complex matter.
When I say the Innuos is not your kind of server is because you don't want that simplification, or at least do not appreciate it. That's fine. That was just my observation, and seeing how there are other servers out there that do not hide the complexities of it all, you might be better served by those, than one in which the company tries their best to hide the complexities instead of exposing them.
I'm glad you're enjoying the SQ with your Vivaldi, and hopefully the information you want will be coming soon
Have you done any ripping comparisons, between the Innuos x a computer running one of the software in your link?
cheers,
Alex
Do consider knowledge about the the ripping software irrelevant?
(...) I'm glad you're enjoying the SQ with your Vivaldi, and hopefully the information you want will be coming soon
Have you done any ripping comparisons, between the Innuos x a computer running one of the software in your link?
cheers,
Alex
Why spending my time doing such comparisons if a simple answer can save hours of work? I hate rediscovering the wheel!
Nothing happened to his *Windows* based music server.
He did have a compromised Windows system, again NOT his music server, in his home.
No, I don't. That's why I asked if you had first-hand experience with all the different software!Do consider knowledge about the the ripping software irrelevant?
First hand experience usually trumps all, IMHO... And I thought we were on the forum to share (first-hand) experience. Specially since the software is only part of the ripping process, as the drive used matters too...
I told before - I am a registered user of dBPoweramp and all my rips were carried used this software.
First hand experience in computer audio takes a lot of time and listening. We are in the field of the so called "small differences" that are immeasurable in terms of classical audio measurements and IMHO we need long term listening to bypass and avoid our biases. I am not the kind of person who has instantaneous opinions on all kinds of gear.
As we have tools to check rip accuracy I prefer to trust them. Since long we know that the drive used does not matter if it was quality enough - I am sure that Innuos choose a proper drive. However even the best driver can have problems - no product is 100% reliable during its operational life.
Yes,it seems great, but unless you (or someone you want to trust) try it with your DAC you can't know how it sounds.
And IMHO the thread is not heated, it is very cold - the only real heat it can get is new factual information.
IMHO it's not cheap.
A nunber of published reviews and user reviews commented that if the music file library was large, even the higher spec Nucleus+ was barely able to handle the computing and would become slow in reaponse.
Will Roon1.6 improve this pitfall?
I am waiting for user comments.
I have, but this thread isn't about the Roon Nucleus. Perhaps if you asked in the appropriate thread, you'd get responses.
Its not new it's been around for a year or so....
I had the + version...slow.....
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