Listening with audiophilia interest is one thing. But losing interest in music is another. He's at least got a radio, right?
American Sound, "The Absolute Nothing"
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Tang has enough money to just buy something different and not worry to much about it. Maybe he just grew up and realized we are on a futile quest, and that means there is maybe hope for the rest of us too !
Come on, you know there is no hope!
Tang was very sensible, in reporting both on the forum and privately, "I only think some rare speakers made long ago make great sound, has sentimental value and will at least retain the value of my investment. Just taking a different approach in exploring audio gears which is my fun on this hobby. "
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He was not interested in making false claims about vintages or modifications, claim on things he did not understand, suggest that only the person he bought from knows more than everyone else. He too is into video analysis, but has been very practical in assessing videos either his or his friends, where they stand w.r.t the rest, and not trying to say the people who share his dealer have videos rated as the top two or three which unfortunately is the trend now.
And I think it is that attitude that should give hope, as it feels miserable reading some posts to the contrary these days.
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Or any single one of the many other alternatives, don’t you think? Synergy my friend. keep us busy, maybe years!
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He was not interested in making false claims about vintages or modifications, claim on things he did not understand, suggest that only the person he bought from knows more than everyone else. He too is into video analysis, but has been very practical in assessing videos either his or his friends, where they stand w.r.t the rest, and not trying to say the people who share his dealer have videos rated as the top two or three which unfortunately is the trend now.
And I think it is that attitude that should give hope, as it feels miserable reading some posts to the contrary these days.
Your talking about the good old days .
Where people just accepted authority and bought accordingly .
..... blame the internet lol
Where people just accepted authority and bought accordingly .
..... blame the internet lol
I asked Milan directly a question in response to his post about the motor controller. My question to him didn't bifurcate platter speed stability versus motor speed stability. Whatever the motor is doing ultimately it is only platter speed stability that we care about, because the platter is what the record rides on.
It's okay, Peter, that you like to brag that the AS-2000 platter spins for a longer period of time than any other turntable platter. I agree it is remarkable. But taking a long time to stop does not explain why a platter maintains speed stability.
In what turntable drive topology is the motor and the platter not responsible for maintaining steady speed?
Perhaps all that glitters gold is not whatever DDK recommends or touches ?
Direct drive with light weight platter is one example. Check speed up check speed down always adjusting always hunting. Is that stable speed? Does it sound the same?
There is no constant monitoring of speed with the AS2000 as I understand it. The high mass of the platter, and don’t forget very low friction of the bearing, have a big effect on platter speed. Smooth and constant. The flywheel on the drive pulley also matters.
In this design, the motor controller, the flywheel, the platter mass, and the bearing all matter for speed accuracy amd consistency. Your first question was not clear. I do not know about the electronics side. Milan answered that. The rest is also important. Free spin time matters in this case, so does belt thread type. You can joke all you want about my comments about the platter spinning.
David improved both the controller and increased the mass in the new design. Ask yourself why.
I am glad the thread is getting back on topic.
It has nothing to do with David. It has to do with some extremist claims about David and making false claims. David is not in the picture here.
Imagine you saying everyday Dave Wilson made the best speaker, because he told you he modified carbon tweeters and ribbon midrange (when you don’t know) and saying the best videos on the forum are the Alexia from Tim, Lee, XLF from LL21 and Alexx videos from Marty.
This has nothing to do with Dave Wilson
And teaming up with Marty as fellow Wilsonphiles for tag team wrestling with anyone who goes up against your claim
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In a direct drive with lightweight platter how are the motor and the platter not responsible for maintaining steady speed? Yes, it has an electronic controller using a servo, but the AS-2000 also has an electronic controller, so I don't see a conceptual difference there.
LOL. Ked, I have no idea what you r talking about.
Isn't Tangs entire system either DDK's front end or speakers and his amps the DDK certified Lamm?
Now Tang doesn't even use it?
He doesn’t. Worse, he stopped buying good music and recordings where he was investing before he went this route.
I believe Tang is still secretly listening to music. The broken system is a elaborate excuse concocted to gracefully get out of sending the 10 video recordings of classical music Ked requested every week. I have heard rumors of WBF members going into witness protection to avoid Ked's video requests !
i’m familiar with my turntable and similar designs because I’ve lived with them. The platter matters a lot for speed stability. I don’t know so much about direct drive or low mass belt or idler. You should start a thread on the topic and perhaps interview a bunch of turntable designers in your next series of videos.
I believe Tang is still secretly listening to music. The broken system is a elaborate excuse concocted to gracefully get out of sending the 10 video recordings of classical music Ked requested every week. I have heard rumors of WBF members going into witness protection to avoid Ked's video requests !
That makes sense, I would not look forward to posting those videos given the high quality of videos he had before
Yes … It is a shame that Tango seems to have taken down most of his Cessaro horn system YouTubes , most were pretty good audio .
I was simply exploring your Post #396.
In the case of a high mass string drive design like the AS 2000, the motor and the platter are responsible for maintaining steady speed. It’s different for other drive typologies. (emphasis added)
In this post you drew a contrast between the AS-2000 and other drive topologies. So I assumed you could explain why it's "different for other drive topologies."
The platters have less ability to stabilize platter speed when they are low mass and higher bearing friction. They move quicker because of less inertia, and they are more susceptible to influence from the drive. That is how I understand it. You asked how the AS 2000 maintains speed. The platter and bearing are a part of it. I would not say the same about my former SME turntables or my Denon DD, or the Garrard idlers I have seen. In those cases, the motor and controller have greater influence on final platter speed.
I am happy to be corrected and learn from someone who knows more than I do on this subject. I related to you my direct experience from living with two SMEs, a DD Denon, the Micro, the AS 1000 and the AS 2000 from setting them up, experimenting with thread/belt tension, and observing bearing friction all while measuring results with my Timeline strobe and some with the Roadrunner Tach. If the issue is maintaining smooth, constant speed, the American Sound tables were better than those others, in part because of the platter mass and low bearing friction. I suspect the platter mass and bearing type have other advantages in terms of noise also, but that is a different topic.
To improve on the AS2000 performance, David took his new design to extremes. The platter is wider and taller, for about twice the mass and greater interia. The bearing is similar. The motor is the same but the controller is improved as is the motor housing.
Other typologies also maintain accurate and consistent speed like my Denon and my friend's SP10 MKIII. There are lots of approaches. Good speed is but one of the elements for good sound.
You should interview some turntable designers. Ask them these questions. It would be fascinating and I am sure very educational.
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