American Sound, "The Absolute Nothing"

No, he gave up the hobby. Sold it to my cousin three years ago. I'm building him a nice tube amplifier in exchange. Revox A77 motor, belt rubberized Kevlar tape. With capstan shafts almost 100% wrap angle on the platter for perfect power transmission.

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the upper part of the platter is noise protection glass no contact with the spindle of bearing
It looks like it would sound very good, how is the motor controlled ? Does it use the servo control unit from the Revox ?
 
Peter,

no, it clarifies the nature of the beast. what does it do for the music. and the experience.

my point was that as i live with, and have lived with, multiple turntables and drive types, and bearing types, along with multiple arm types and arm bearing types, with all sorts of cartridges......lived with them for years and years........BUT.......most visitors to my room have not done that. so......that having a tt and arm both using air float and air bearing allows those visitors to really hear how those features present the music. and i personally appreciate what that combo does for my listening too.

i specifically said that i'm not claiming any scientific proof, just a taste of what this does. and some listeners really like it. with a high level, well executed hard bearing tt and arm sitting next to it.

unless you live with all these variables over an extended time, the nuances are hard to determine......if they are combined. what is causing what? for the visitor. i already know.

I think at the highest levels, sonic signatures tend to disappear. The best products have very little coloration or character.

I understand your point about demonstration purposes to show the sonic signature of a certain type to your guests.

At your level, the one that sounds the most natural should be all about the music and not about the sound of the turntable or tone arm support. If you play them all and like them all for different reasons, you are liking their individual characters. And that is fine. If you get to the point where there are no trade-offs between options, you’ve arrived at something that gets you closest to the music.

I have this experience with cartridges. I switch between cartridges for different flavors, but I always gravitate back to my favorite because it is the most transparent and gets me the closest to the music. It has the least sonic signature or identifiable sound.

Some listeners like a variety of ice cream and others tend to eat the one which they prefer to all the others.

As you say, no right or wrong, just different approaches.
 
@PeterA I would seek out the preferred approach for each component and then listen in combination to pass judgment. Sometimes the design is integrated so it is more difficult to separate.
I did this but still too many variables to get a good sense of the differences. I initially listened to my CS Port with a Kuzma Safir arm, initially using an MSL Platinum cartridge but wasn't that impressed. Switched to a SoundSmith Sussurro Gold LE and now the music flowed. Listened for several months then switched to the CS Port Linear air arm using the SoundSmith. Sounded fine but when I changed out to the MSL Platinum I now understood what the MSL brought to the table. OMG this was a revelation. It wasn't, IMO, the air-bearing platter & air-bearing arm working together but the synergy with the cartridge that made this work. The point is that each component by itself has meaning but just using one and the right combo of arm or cartridge is obviously the key. I have enjoyed trying these combos but I enjoy just sitting back and listening far more to music.
 
So, you're positive that American Sound turntables—yes, even the latest one—have no contact with the bearing, plinth, or anything else, except for the belt?

Reading through the response about the ‘uniqueness’ of the bearing, I couldn’t help but get the impression that as if David personally invented the air bearing turntable, and Micro Seiki just walked in and swiped the idea right from under him.

The platter is only in contact with the stylus and the thread, and the cushion of air below it. All three American Sound turntables are the same.

The bearing is completely different from the one in my big Micro Seiki turntable. In that case, there is physical contact with the bearing which I learned when I took the thing apart, cleaned it and repaired it.
 
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It looks like it would sound very good, how is the motor controlled ? Does it use the servo control unit from the Revox ?
Mulcher conversion .
He used to convert revox motors for turntable use. With a ten-speed potentiometer you can adjust the speed from 32,500 to 33,500 rpm. An adjustable tension roller sits directly on the platter to set the correct tape guide and pre-tension . I know its based on orginal controller.you can also operate it without flywheel.
 
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Mulcher conversion .
He used to convert revox motors for turntable use. With a ten-speed potentiometer you can adjust the speed from 32,500 to 33,500 rpm. An adjustable tension roller sits directly on the platter to set the correct tape guide and pre-tension . I know its based on orginal controller.you can also operate it without flywheel.
Nice ! :) Some of the best sounding equipment in the world is probably sitting in basements of diy people in Germany. Great traditions and skills in engineering and tooling many places.
 
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Air holes on the tops and sides of the inner cylinder. Only contact is with the string.

Might you advise us as to your source regarding this information , Is this First / Hands on or Anecdotal ?
 
Thank you very much. Everything you write in your post is completely correct but it will do little if anything to tamper down the rampant speculation and arguments.
I guess it takes significantly more than to be correct to quell the doubts.
 
He clearly said that he doesn't know exactly how it is.


Really?
On the contrary, he said he knows exactly how it works after having disassembled AS1000 and AS2000
 
He clearly said that he doesn't know exactly how it is.


Really?
Thats my understanding after discussing the design with David in person
 
The platter is only in contact with the stylus and the thread, and the cushion of air below it. All three American Sound turntables are the same.

The bearing is completely different from the one in my big Micro Seiki turntable. In that case, there is physical contact with the bearing which I learned when I took the thing apart, cleaned it and repaired it.
Peter, would you be willing to repeat this 25 more times and preferably in bold capital letters, otherwise I don’t think its sinking in.
 
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Awwww Bless … Why doesn’t Karmeli come on to the forum and inform us all a little as to exactly how his “Propriotory “ air bearing really operates ? I might even be in the market ! … however $400K is rather a biggly number to swallow based on one or two anecdotes
Passed on second hand , via one or two of his acolytes .
 
Awwww Bless … Why doesn’t Karmeli come on to the forum and inform us all a little as to exactly how his “Propriotory “ air bearing really operates ? I might even be in the market ! … however $400K is rather a biggly number to swallow based on one or two anecdotes
Passed on second hand , via one or two of his acolytes .
My guess is he doesn’t feel the need to.
 
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Just curious to understand why people argue the point that was quite clearly made by Peter based on his hands on experience.
That level of incredulity is quite surprising to see on WBF
 
Just curious to understand why people argue the point that was quite clearly made by Peter based on his hands on experience.
That level of incredulity is quite surprising to see on WBF
I don’t think it was clear because Peter mentioned bearing friction a couple times. That made it sound like there was physical contact. That’s great though that David found someone to design a true air bearing for him. It must be unique since it’s so top secret.
 
That’s great though that David found someone to design a true air bearing for him. It must be unique since it’s so top secret.

All the more incredulous that there appears to be no registration of such a ‘unique patent’ with the USPTO !!
 
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