? I truly do not understand your comment, can you please explain what it means to me without an English speaking mother.
American Sound, "The Absolute Nothing"
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You posted earlier saying,
"It is easy to misrepresent the actual sound when recording with a microphone in a room.
I am glad that I recently found an easy way to overlay the video sound with the recorded output from my RIAA….
I hope more people can to it so we avoid YouTube sound of the mic-in-room"
First off, please explain how it's so easy to misinterpret the actual sound when recording with a microphone in a room?
Are you implying all microphones are insufficient devices for recording sound and hence, we are easily led astray?
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Take a look at these two curve showing the low frequency <. 400 hz for clarity . This is recorded with the same system , source, amplifier, speakers and microphone and in the same room. The only difference is the speaker positions. I know it measures and sounds really different, it is my room.
The full spectrum of the worst speaker position is shown here. Not my preferred EQ in the lower plot , but what I had at hand..
If you want evaluate and notice minute effects like turntable influence, mic in room recordings is not the best. But what can be obvious regardless of recording method is the turntables speed stability, then a phone is good enough. Mistracking is also easy to hear regardless, ..
What we are hearing in demos like here is the sound of the source( cartridge) , Speakers and room, The effect of the turntables is much more subtle, unless it is totally flawed with regards to speed or feedback/microphony.
By the way the sound of the music was not to my taste at all, strange music and sound,,,if it is in the recording or the system I have not checked, I am not at home.
Ps. Did not have time to present microphone response curves, they are not linear either…
This was a turntable demo… My point is simply that if you want to evaluate a component upstream the speakers it is best to get the sound as close as possible to the object that is evaluated. In this case that would be from the RIAA, that takes the influence of the speakers, room and microphone out of the equation. It may be quick and easy to record in with iPhone or whatever and post on YouTube , yes it gives an impression of the sound, but that impression can also not be so correct. With some more effort by adding a recorded soundtrack from the RIAA would in this case give better information on the sound. I thing everybody would benefit from that. I found an easy way to do this , Fremer does the same in his demos, he does not use mic-in-room sound. ( he rarely adjust for level differences and other things but that is another story)
Take a look at these two curve showing the low frequency <. 400 hz for clarity . This is recorded with the same system , source, amplifier, speakers and microphone and in the same room. The only difference is the speaker positions. I know it measures and sounds really different, it is my room.
The full spectrum of the worst speaker position is shown here. Not my preferred EQ in the lower plot , but what I had at hand..
If you want evaluate and notice minute effects like turntable influence, mic in room recordings is not the best. But what can be obvious regardless of recording method is the turntables speed stability, then a phone is good enough. Mistracking is also easy to hear regardless, ..
What we are hearing in demos like here is the sound of the source( cartridge) , Speakers and room, The effect of the turntables is much more subtle, unless it is totally flawed with regards to speed or feedback/microphony.
By the way the sound of the music was not to my taste at all, strange music and sound,,,if it is in the recording or the system I have not checked, I am not at home.
Ps. Did not have time to present microphone response curves, they are not linear either…
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Hmmm ...
We listen through speakers and systems. We recognize that a phone recording is not the same as listening in-room but many find it sufficiently representative to be of value, surely more representative of the system's sound than listening to RIAA output.
Overlaying a system video with something other than true system output strikes me as mis-leading.
Think about the intent in making a system video.
Agree if the meaning is to present the speakers, or total system, then mic in room is appropriate, but my understanding is that this was supposed to be a Turntable demo..
The contribution from the turntable is easily obscured by the speakers , room , cartridge, so then RIAA output soundtrack will be more accurate .
The contribution from the turntable is easily obscured by the speakers , room , cartridge, so then RIAA output soundtrack will be more accurate .
My Apologies , I missed this first time around.
Are you speaking from an informed technical design and manufacturing point of view ? If so then might you elucidate a little further.
If we are to take at face value your intelligences that the original AS1000 and the … Clone ? … manufactured by Karmeli known as AS2000 “ differ only in details and not in the concept.“ might you advise us as to the reason(s) behind the not inconsiderable delta in asking price between the two turntables ?
I forget his last name. I normally just remember one part of the name, helps me to remember the names of twice as many people as I would have had I remembered both first and last name
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I have discussed the subject with David on a few occasions as a friend of mine owned the original American Sound and now the Absolute nothing
The concept of the original and AS 2000 is exactly the same, motor, motor controller and pump being the major differences
Even though the Absolute nothing follows the same concept, the construction and implementation differ to a substantial degree
There is no market price for the original AS as there are only few of them in existence and I believe most of them either owned by David or used to be
The pricing structure of the AS 2000 is based on a different set of contributing factors
The new and better motor of the AS 2000( same one used by AF0) contributes to a significant portion of the price delta
Wait till we get started on Aries Cerat !
Go for It … What do you have to say Milan … Curious as to who your “we” refer to ? … Or are you going to merely hide behind sly innuendo !
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We, the non dealers and distributers on the forum, us with no financial stake in all this audio peddling going on. We that only buy audio equipment as customers, for listening to music, not to make a buck.
How does any of that utter diatribe connect with your earlier “ Wait till we get started on Aries Cerat !We, the non dealers and distributers on the forum, us with no financial stake in all this audio peddling going on. We that only buy audio equipment as customers, for listening to music, not to make a buck.
“ ???You Really Are Simply Making A T**T Of Yourself Milan .
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