Avalon Tesseract

[audioarcher]

On the other hand, I am not sure of finding a speaker like this one to be designed and built in a garage....really hard.

I got to visit the factory early last year. I would say it is impossible to replicate how Avalons are assembled in a garage unless you spent a ton of money on the custom clamping jigs necessary to glue the panels together. Not to say you could not make a speaker that looks similar in a garage.

I was surprised by how thick the front baffles were. They looked to be more that 2 inches thick. I would expect them to be very inert the way they are made.

 

[edorr]

I got to visit the factory early last year. I would say it is impossible to replicate how Avalons are assembled in a garage unless you spent a ton of money on the custom clamping jigs necessary to glue the panels together. Not to say you could not make a speaker that looks similar in a garage.

I was surprised by how thick the front baffles were. They looked to be more that 2 inches thick. I would expect them to be very inert the way they are made.

Avalon actually ended up suing Silverline Audio (pretty much a garage operation at the time) for manufacturing a speaker that looks too similar to their design. Little childish if you ask me....

http://www.stereophile.com/news/10914/index.html

 

[audioarcher]

Here is some pics of Avalon's new listening room. The speakers are the Time.

 

[MylesBAstor]

Yeah. A computer is all you need to figure out the polar response.

Just take a look at the meaurements of Avalon Indra to see how great Avalon speakers are. A speaker that cost $19,995/pair! But I'm sure you think measurements of speakers don't mean anything. It's all about listening!
http://www.stereophile.com/content/avalon-acoustics-indra-loudspeaker-measurements

Bjorn, what do you use at home? You don't have any system listed.

 

[Bjorn]

Thanks for the pictures of Avalon's listening room. Obviously these guys are cluesless about acoustics too.

 

[Bjorn]

Polar response is an interesting subject. If you plan on listening on axis most of the time then there is no reason to get your panties in a bunch about off axis response. In fact if your speakers are designed to be beamy then they are likely to be less distorted on axis than speakers that are designed to spread the sound around because of the comb filtering of sound bouncing off the walls. Of course if you want even frequency response throughout the room because of multiple seating positions then you have to live with that compromise.

What you're saying is basically that you don't think distorted sound with comb filtering from the room contributes to anything in sweetspot. Or that a narrow (beaming) horizontal dispersion is without it's problem. Very wrong.

 

[JackD201]

And still, many of you think it's great. Based on what? Marketing?
A speaker design like this will never yield a particular uniform polar response. It's simply not possible. The price really doesn't help much.... I'm sure audiophools will give it glowing reviews though.

Cute. Riddled by logical fallacies that would cause you to lose a freshman debate but cute none the less . Doesn't change the fact that you're demanding measurements from what is at this point a computer model man. C'mon just admit you jumped the gun.

 

[audioarcher]

What you're saying is basically that you don't think distorted sound with comb filtering from the room contributes to anything in sweetspot. Or that a narrow (beaming) horizontal dispersion is without it's problem. Very wrong.

No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying narrow dispersion speakers will have less sound bouncing off the side walls thus less comb filtering. I also did not say narrow dispersion speakers were without problems. If off axis dispersion is a priority for you that is fine. But don't expect everyone else to have the same priorities as you.

 

[audioarcher]

Thanks for the pictures of Avalon's listening room. Obviously these guys are cluesless about acoustics too.

You must be a genius if you can tell what this room will sound like from a picture.

 

[andromedaaudio]

Great to have an expert like bjorn aboard , i cant wait to see your speakers /system
Maybe you can enlighten us and start your own systemsthread ??

 

[treitz3]

Good evening, gentlemen. Many posts have been permanently deleted from this thread. While no specific rules were broken, the tone of some of the latest posts were not in good taste and do not represent the overall view of the forum or it's administrators. Please refrain from making such posts in the future and let's get this thread back to the original topic. That being the Avalon Tesseract.

Tom

 

[Bjorn]

No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying narrow dispersion speakers will have less sound bouncing off the side walls thus less comb filtering. I also did not say narrow dispersion speakers were without problems. If off axis dispersion is a priority for you that is fine. But don't expect everyone else to have the same priorities as you.

You missed my second part. Beaming isn't considered good. Remember the total energy. Yes, you avoid some specular reflections but at a cost.

Either way though, the Avalon Tesseract will not have well controlled directivity. That's not possible to achieve the way they design the speaker. So the Tesseract will not measure particular well off-axis.

You must be a genius if you can tell what this room will sound like from a picture.

Acutally, it's possible to say a great deal about a system looking at the room and treatment if you have knowledge about acoustics. And especially if you know the acoustic product. Which I do know in this case. I've measured the performance in a room of it once. It was also compared to 20 cm of rock wool. Looking at distances to walls, what type of treatment they are using, where the treatment is placed etc. tells me a great deal. But that's another topic. I'll leave you guys alone.

 

[MylesBAstor]

You missed my second part. Beaming isn't considered good. Remember the total energy. Yes, you avoid some specular reflections but at a cost.

Either way though, the Avalon Tesseract will not have well controlled directivity. That's not possible to achieve the way they design the speaker. So the Tesseract will not measure particular well off-axis.


Acutally, it's possible to say a great deal about a system looking at the room and treatment if you have knowledge about acoustics. And especially if you know the acoustic product. Which I do know in this case. I've measured the performance in a room of it once. It was also compared to 20 cm of rock wool. Looking at distances to walls, what type of treatment they are using, where the treatment is placed etc. tells me a great deal. But that's another topic. I'll leave you guys alone.

Bet you can tell from looking at a picture of Neil Patel that he's an idiot too!

Is that a threat or a promise?

Do you do channelling also?

 

[audioarcher]

I was wondering if anyone noticed that the Avalon room is a trapezoid. It's hard to tell by the pictures but if you look for it you will see it.

Bjorn, please elaborate on what you find bad about narrow dispersion speakers if the listener always sit in the sweet spot and the frequency response is correct at the sweet spot? Because I don't know what your hinting at and I'm always willing to learn something new. As for how the room treatments measure, even if they measure poorly they have enough to make up for that I think. They are the US distributor of those tube traps and helmholtz resonators so it makes sense they would use them.

 

[Shaffer]

For a second, there, it looked like the guardians from the 5th Element were coming back to Earth.

 

[MasterChief]

For a second, there, it looked like the guardians from the 5th Element were coming back to Earth.

Just team them up in a 5.1 with Vivid Audios Giya as PlavaLaguna and then if we only could find some equipment representing the mangalores...:b

 

[Gregadd]

 

[LL21]

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Talon Firebird?

 

[Gregadd]

Yes.

 

[FrantzM]

For a second, there, it looked like the guardians from the 5th Element were coming back to Earth.

I was about to write that since I first saw the picture of the Tesseract.. Agreed!! :

Back to this speaker about which we not not much ... yet ... $200,000 , $300,000? more ?