That is an interesting idea for a new thread. It might generate an interesting discussion.
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Can digital get to vinyl sound and at what price?
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That is an interesting idea for a new thread. It might generate an interesting discussion.
someone with more technical knowledge, please correct the following:
let's assume that the first component is a router. If the router sends some form of noise along with the electrical pulses representing a 0 or 1 that does not disturb computers (and similar devices) but does create audible consequences in audio gear, then any audio downstream of the router gets affected.
One could assume that using wifi or fiber (light pulses) prior to the audio gear should prevent pollution downstream. But folks who use multiple switches report that multiple approaches are needed.
My questions are:
-- is the greatest influence on improved sound the last network device (could be copper/fiber/copper converter or switch or wifi device) in the chain before the streamer/server?
-- does the converter's chips add noise to the chain? If so, then the noise it reduces has to outweigh the noise it adds.
-- if so, does the LPS transmit the noise to the electrical circuit it is on?
-- if yes, should all network devices be on a separate circuit from the audio-only devices
-- does the noise carried by the network influence a transformer-based power supply more than a switching power supply?
-- can the noise be measured at the point it enters the server/streamer?
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methinks you are an optimist.
But that is a good thing.
May be
No tape and no vinyl can put the pressure down on low freq like digital can.
If i would wanna spend 200 K on a front end id buy a WADAX and be done ( with my music choice .)
Convenient and good sound sounding
Tape rolls off , vinyl rolls off .
I have seen a A 80 at eternal arts that was basically flat to 20 hz .
But tape sounds softer in the bass not so tight like digital can , and thats what you need for house music
methinks you are an optimist.
I don t think its a good idea indeed , based on previous (countless )analogue -digital discussions
OK. Tight bass and extension are a matter of perception and realism and the music you are trying to reproduce. Good vinyl front ends don’t sound soft in the bass and have plenty of extension to sound realistic, as long as the rest of the system is up to it , but it sounds like you are after something very specific. I have not had the pleasure of hearing House music on vinyl records or tapes.
Edit: Regarding organ music and the quality of its reproduction, @Mike Lavigne might have an interesting perspective to share regarding his various sources.
I have J michel jarre on tape and some other electronic music on tape .
I have compared countless house LP albums when i had the SME 20 3A
The SME will not do it, in my humble opinion. I owned two for fifteen years. And then the whole system has to be up to it including power. I’m curious to hear Mike’s experience.
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Yes artificial "ghost in the machine "no instruments involved music, like Tiesto does have some impressive deep notes. But will probably not tickle anyone in the "natural " camps fancy !
Ears roll off.
I suspect 20Hz is felt more than heard. There's very little acoustic music below 40Hz. Around a low F on the piano.
We can talk about 'tight bass'. I suspect to many that is the initial transient attack of a low note. I'm thinking this is more relevant in rock music or synth, from an electric bass or a machine. There is so much more to bass than tightness. Harmonics and decay are at least equally important. A string of live double basses' playing pizacatto is not all that tight.
Yes. Check the Bach video in my cartridge review, 16Hz. Is a pipe organ a wind instrument?
I m at the airport at the moment and i cant find an example on the net .
But i m sure there are digital recording experts on WBF who can confirm that digital can both record and reproduce flat to 20 hz .
In contrary to tape and Lp which have roll off , sometimes substantial.
Im.not talking acoustic instrument reproduction quality , strictily digital music / digital recording FR flatness
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… say, everyone is talking about the bad „noise“ that is coming from PCs, ethernet connections, routers and so on ruining or decreasing SQ… how does this „noise“ actually „sound“ or become noticable… I mean, my setup is ultra basic but dead quiet… so it can‘t be noise in a sense of a crackling/noisy record or such… what exactly is this noise polluting SQ and how does it sound?
That’s the odd thing to me about digital noise. It’s not easy to define. You think you have a quiet system. How could it get any quieter? Then you listen after applying some enhancements and wow… there is a positive difference. Sometimes it’s additional air, sometimes/sense of space. Sometimes it’s tonality/timbre. Other times it’s high frequency hash that you didn’t notice that has gone away.
Yes, the noise is hidden within the signal and modulates it, and you realize its deleterious effects on the sound of the music once it's gone. Mostly digital noise has little to do with raising the ''noise floor' or with less quietness.
When the pieces fall into place everything makes more sense, and sounds "right" (or more so), silence included.
as others have already said, it is noticed in comparison to "after" the change.
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