steve williams
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Jim
Our net worth as good as it may be pales when compared to that of audiophiles in SE Asia. I’m betting sales will be greater than expected
Chronosonic XVX.
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Our net worth as good as it may be pales when compared to that of audiophiles in SE Asia. I’m betting sales will be greater than expected
Elliot G.
Industry Expert
I agree Steve however the resale of such is going to go down quickly. The market for really expensive used speakers is not strong and will be even worse with multiple quantities of the same product. This I know from past experiences.You’ll be the first to know if I do
There will be a lot of XLF’s and X2’s in the used market I’m betting
steve williams
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Multiple quantities of the same speaker IMO is great for prospective buyers. Not great however for sellers who want to trade up
There are reportedly in excess of 250,000 people in the world with a net worth in excess of $30M...any one of these can comfortably buy a pair of $300K speakers (1% of their net worth, even if not liquid)...let alone the top half of this set which is above $50M in net worth.
Elliot G.
Industry Expert
Come on Steve no one has even hear it. This is fan boy stuff. It may be amazing but right now its just a picture on a webpage
Elliot G.
Industry Expert
yes if you want a used XLF its good for you and very bad for the original owner. There are not a lot of those folks out there ( buyers) and the ones that are want to get them really cheap. My guess will be 20-25 cents on the dollar maybe less
steve williams
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I’ve heard it’s big brother. If it has the same characteristics I do believe that Wilson will have hit a home run. Yes it is all specs until it’s heard. Same with Gobel. Fabulous speaker on paper and every bit as good to hear. When you introduced the speaker Elliot it was all fluff until people began listening. So yes the XVX is good on paper. Only time will tell. In reality E you were the same fan boy for your speaker. See the success you have gleaned.
Respectfully, Elliot, that is not entirely fair, and Steve is not being hyperbolic. Many, many people heard the Master Chronosonic.
It does not take a huge leap of imagination to imagine an approximately 2/3 scaled down version that has qualitatively similar, if not virtually the same, sonic characteristics.
I would agree with you if the XVX came out of thin air, without the lineage of the Master Chronosonic.
If the 2nd hand market for high end speakers is not great, i suspect it is because the big money that is buying the new high end is super big...REALLY BIG...but the next tier of net worth (looking into the 2nd hand market) is a big drop and needs a big price reduction to stretch to take down the 2nd hand high end speaker.
Elliot G.
Industry Expert
I respectfully disagree. Right now its not even a product its just a picture. When you hear it make comments. To say things like this is absurd. Its like TAS proclaiming the Dagostino relentless the best product at Munich two years ago and NO ONE hear it. Last time I checked we are in the audio business not the pictures of audio products business.
I am totally sure no one would say these things for other smaller companies that have had great products in the past.
I deal in reality not imagination and you who is a "reviewer" should too or how can anyone respect what you write.
steve williams
Site Founder, Site Owner, Administrator
Elliot
IIRC you did exactly the same thing before you even had product or even a show room. Lighten up Elliot as I see no difference in the way you presented your speaker. The XVX has the topology of it’s big brother which I’ve heard. Same as the Divin Noblesse being the baby brother of the Majestic.
And finally as far a hyperbole you’ve posted that in your opinion Gobel makes the finest speakers in the world. I read that before you even had product or a showroom. I have no problem with your statement and would expect you to say that as the US distributor.
as far as names for the speaker let’s not forget that with Dave’s passing there is a new vision leading the company and this new vision has learned well from his father because I see the XVX as a mini Master Chronosonic. I don’t think that’s hyperbole.
Elliot G.
Industry Expert
Yes really big. I have been doing this for over 40 years and finsing a used buyer for really expensive gear is hard and the pool of buyers small. These are facts not opinions
Elliot G.
Industry Expert
No one jumped head over heels for the Noblesse from a drawing Steve , no one
Elliot G.
Industry Expert
no I did not. Please keep your words out of my mouth . I never ever said anything like that
I assure you I am not trying to be controversial here. Maybe I missed something, but I am making only two points.
I am saying: 1) it is not difficult for me to imagine that the conscientiously scaled-down version sounds materially similar to the full-size version from which it was developed, and 2) if a listener liked how the full-size version sounds it does not take a big leap of imagination to assume said listener will also like how the scaled-down version sounds. Are these suggestions controversial?
PS: I would say the exact same thing in the exact same way about the Noblesse scaled-down from the Majestic. I heard the Majestic in Munich and I loved it; I can’t imagine hearing the Noblesse and finding that it doesn’t sound very similar to the Majestic.
Elliot G.
Industry Expert
I am not tying to pick a fight nor be controversial.
I am not trying to diminish Wilson or its products I have the highest respect for them and I have a long relationship with some of the people there.
All I am saying is when it is available and the collective you can hear it then crown it or dis it or whatever. Right now its just a picture and I understand that Wilson lovers are excited however we live in a performance world not a picture of a component world.
Imagination is by definition not reality.
It might be great but fan appreciation is just that and not the reality of the product. Maybe you liked the Majestic but that would not guarantee that you would like the Noblesse or any other product we have. That is my one and only point.
I want to be perfectly clear, that all I am saying.
As far as the used market I know that very well as I have been active in it for a very very long time. I take trades all the time on large speakers and high end electronics and cables. The market is tough and finding buyers is not easy. No one really wants to hear that their product is not worth nearly what they thought .
I am not trying to diminish Wilson or its products I have the highest respect for them and I have a long relationship with some of the people there.
All I am saying is when it is available and the collective you can hear it then crown it or dis it or whatever. Right now its just a picture and I understand that Wilson lovers are excited however we live in a performance world not a picture of a component world.
Imagination is by definition not reality.
It might be great but fan appreciation is just that and not the reality of the product. Maybe you liked the Majestic but that would not guarantee that you would like the Noblesse or any other product we have. That is my one and only point.
I want to be perfectly clear, that all I am saying.
As far as the used market I know that very well as I have been active in it for a very very long time. I take trades all the time on large speakers and high end electronics and cables. The market is tough and finding buyers is not easy. No one really wants to hear that their product is not worth nearly what they thought .
steve williams
Site Founder, Site Owner, Administrator
I cannot disagree with E’s comments about the speaker being only a photo. But I am reminded about the benefits of trickle down technology. To wit, Daryl’s design of the Alexx based on the Master Chronosonic turned out to be a better speaker than the XLF as Fremer so aptly discovered. So to consider that the XVX has the same genes as it’s big brother for me is inspirational. That’s why I’ve said in this thread that it’s a huge disappointment for me not to be able to hear it at RMAF I’ve said speakers are meant to be heard not seen.
Elliot G.
Industry Expert
steve williams
Site Founder, Site Owner, Administrator
E
You know that I have great respect for your speaker. I also understand every point you are making. My only point is that this speaker benefits from trickle down technology at half the price ( which BTW is still a kings ransom.)
You know that I have great respect for your speaker. I also understand every point you are making. My only point is that this speaker benefits from trickle down technology at half the price ( which BTW is still a kings ransom.)
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