Entreq Tellus grounding

[spiritofmusic]

Tbg, I'm not assuming anything, I really don't know. I've always thought grounding might be a poor term for both Entreq and Troy ("noise drainage" maybe better?).
I get the impression you are trying to draw a divide btwn how Entreq and Troy work. Fine. Other than Troy plugging into the mains, and Entreq not (partly ameliorated by Cleanus plugging into the mains and grounding back to S. Tellus), you need to be clearer as to why they are so different, otherwise it looks like you're just promoting Troy as superior tech w/nothing to back it up.
I've always said I'm open to Troy being better performance/better materials to justify the higher cost, but there is precisely ZERO info in the public domain to base a definitive opinion on.

 

[TBG]

Tbg, I'm not assuming anything, I really don't know. I've always thought grounding might be a poor term for both Entreq and Troy ("noise drainage" maybe better?).
I get the impression you are trying to draw a divide btwn how Entreq and Troy work. Fine. Other than Troy plugging into the mains, and Entreq not (partly ameliorated by Cleanus plugging into the mains and grounding back to S. Tellus), you need to be clearer as to why they are so different, otherwise it looks like you're just promoting Troy as superior tech w/nothing to back it up.
I've always said I'm open to Troy being better performance/better materials to justify the higher cost, but there is precisely ZERO info in the public domain to base a definitive opinion on.

Spirit, I am not saying that Tripoint is superior, but it clearly is different. I assume that draining noise to the Earth makes it different. I know there is a reason for the greater cost, but I cannot reveal anything, as it is proprietary. I might ask you why the Troy weighs 86 pounds versus about ten pounds at most. Furthermore the new Thor SE grounding cables provide as much of an improvement as did the Signature with just the Silvers.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Well we can't really go anywhere w/this line of discussion, can we TGB? You allude to Troy being "true grounding", and draw a line in the sand (ironic since Tellus is full of the stuff!) btwn it and Entreq that by inference is not "true grounding". What is inside Troy differentiates it from Entreq but you can't even start to describe it due to commercial confidentiality. I understand this, but that's the end of the chat really. I mean we can't have a conversation based on things I don't know, and you know, but not at liberty to discuss.
Btw, you're shortchanging Entreq by saying it weighs 10lb. It's more like 60lb according to Guillaume. Don't fall into the trap of believing Entreq is a lightweight option compared to Troy.

 

[TBG]

Well we can't really go anywhere w/this line of discussion, can we TGB? You allude to Troy being "true grounding", and draw a line in the sand (ironic since Tellus is full of the stuff!) btwn it and Entreq that by inference is not "true grounding". What is inside Troy differentiates it from Entreq but you can't even start to describe it due to commercial confidentiality. I understand this, but that's the end of the chat really. I mean we can't have a conversation based on things I don't know, and you know, but not at liberty to discuss.
Btw, you're shortchanging Entreq by saying it weighs 10lb. It's more like 60lb according to Guillaume. Don't fall into the trap of believing Entreq is a lightweight option compared to Troy.

I never thought this conversation would go anywhere. All that matters is what you like and what I like. Thus far neither of us has had both units to compare. Furthermore, in my opinion I am not interested in what you think. All that matters is my opinion.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Good for you, TBG. Do me a favour, 'though. Don't misrepresent Entreq by saying it's only 10lb. I mean you wouldn't want your opinion to be devalued by misrepresenting the facts. Even if it's all that matters to you. I'm on to conversing only w/people who believe in a bit of give and take.

 

[TBG]

Good for you, TBG. Do me a favour, 'though. Don't misrepresent Entreq by saying it's only 10lb. I mean you wouldn't want your opinion to be devalued by misrepresenting the facts. Even if it's all that matters to you. I'm on to conversing only w/people who believe in a bit of give and take.

I have been unable to find a weight figure on any of the Entreqs, but the one that I initially heard two years ago did not weigh anywhere near 60 pounds. It is my belief that you have no idea what the facts are either so weigh what you have and report it.

 

[spiritofmusic]

TBG, the best link I can find is "www.oyaide.com > entreq english". It's a Japanese website, type my link in EXACTLY, and when you log onto it, go to the Silver Tellus page and scroll down to the specifications, it appears to weigh just over 22kg/55lb.
Guillaume has posted here, and similarly comments on the Devialet Users Forum a figure around 25kg, obv out by 2.5kg.
Your experience must have been w/the Minimus, which is 1.8kg/5lb.
Please, other Silver Tellus users, can you state the weight to back me up.
TBG, I'm detecting quite a bit of hostility from you, so I'll wave you adieu.

 

[rockitman]

I have been unable to find a weight figure on any of the Entreqs, but the one that I initially heard two years ago did not weigh anywhere near 60 pounds. It is my belief that you have no idea what the facts are either so weigh what you have and report it.

ST is at least 40lbs. Perhaps you should hang out more on the tripoint thread....It seems the majority of your posts in this thread have little to do with Entreq.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Thanks Christian, as a fellow owner - I mean you lifted the darn thing, I'm sure you have an idea how much it weighs ! I think the Oyaide website specs are accurate, tbh.
I've just noted that the Silver Minimus weighs less than 2kg/3lb (from the Audio Destination website) and this may explain why Tategoi has had less than stellar results grounding his transport and dac to it. As Barry has noted, and as the weight discrepancy of 3lb S. Minimus v 55lb S. Tellus would strongly suggest, there's a whole lot more grounding capacity via the S. Tellus box, and I strongly suspect linking 2 components to the S. Minimus will overload it. I gauge it's an entry-level grounding solution for a single component, but limited in comparison to S. Tellus.
Tategoi, don't write off grounding until you poss try a S. Tellus or Olympos Minimus. If you can't go this far financially, just ground the most critical single component to S. Minimus.

 

[tategoi]

All along I thought a Silver Minimus can be connected to 2 equipment, just like a Silver TellUs can have 8 connections all together? Unless I have a chance to audition the Olympus or a Silver TellUs, I'll probably keep the Silver Minimus with just the pre-amp connected. Still, there's no news on the Olympus.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Tategoi, S. Minimus can be connected to two components, but that may not be practical. It just may not have the grounding capacity, and is best grounding just your preamp. Even Olympos Minimus with one terminal is advised to be used w/one component like preamp, and the capacity will be well in excess of Minimus.
I'll be trying Olympos in the New Yr.

 

[Barry2013]

That feels right to me.
The Atlantis box is heavier still but I don't know its exact weight.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Barry and Christian, I didn't really start this thread to get into a "my box is bigger than your box!" etc. If I knew it would come to this, I don't think I would have even bothered . Veering a bit too much into "Ground Box Envy" LOL!
I once stated that Entreq and Troy appeal to different sectors of the grounding market, based on whether you want all-in-one or modular upgradeability/decision to go signal- or chassis-plane grounding/more affordable or aspirational pricing. Now, w/Troy fanboy TBG's attitude to tell me to shut up and that his opinion is all that matters, we can add that Troy appeals to the more, shall I say, humble and polite potential buyer :roll eyes:.

 

[LL21]

That feels right to me.
The Atlantis box is heavier still but I don't know its exact weight.

I knew the weights before when i was comparing but have since forgotten. My recollection is that the Troy Signature is 76lbs, and the combined weight of Silver Tellus plus Altantis was about 75-80lbs. There was a question about whether it is better to have all the materials in one box vs 2 with a connection in between. But truthfully, i feel like that question must be lumped in with many more questions about execution, design, etc anyway.

 

[Barry2013]

All along I thought a Silver Minimus can be connected to 2 equipment, just like a Silver TellUs can have 8 connections all together? Unless I have a chance to audition the Olympus or a Silver TellUs, I'll probably keep the Silver Minimus with just the pre-amp connected. Still, there's no news on the Olympus.

A dac and a transport is almost certainly too big a load for a Silver Minmus. It might work better with a Silver Minimus/Olympos Minimus combo but for that money you really would be better getting the extra capacity of a Silver Tellus.
My experience with the silver earth leads has been very good but do keep them away from other cables particularly power cables.

 

[Barry2013]

I knew the weights before when i was comparing but have since forgotten. My recollection is that the Troy Signature is 76lbs, and the combined weight of Silver Tellus plus Altantis was about 75-80lbs. There was a question about whether it is better to have all the materials in one box vs 2 with a connection in between. But truthfully, i feel like that question must be lumped in with many more questions about execution, design, etc anyway.

I don't believe that the difference in weight between the the Troy and the Silver Tellus is significant scientifically or statistically, subject of course to the load. As long as you have enough anything in excess of that rarely makes any real difference, but there may well be more validity in the two box approach of Silver Tellus/Atlantis.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Agreed Barry. I do think there is a lot to be said re the mass difference between Minimus/S. Minimus, and Tellus/S. Tellus. I suspect the Minimus is really only a peek into what's possible in the realm of grounding. S. Tellus/or Olympos Minimus is where it's at, even if only one component is to be grounded.
I'm desperate for my Olympos Minimus trial to fail! I really don't want to get wrapped up in even more grounding expenditure LOL!
On a serious note, the whole S. Tellus experience over 18 months has been nothing short of a revelation, and has contributed in a major way to a calm Zen-like quality to music reproduction quite unlike any other upgrade. Any others on the verge of trying Entreq, I say go ahead, but stick w/S. Tellus as your basic option. Unless funds can't stretch, then go for S. Minimus single grounding to preamp, and maybe add Atlantis Minimus at a later date to up the grounding capacity somewhat further.

 

[jap]

ST is at least 40lbs. Perhaps you should hang out more on the tripoint thread....It seems the majority of your posts in this thread have little to do with Entreq.

It's 47lbs.

 

[rockitman]

It's 47lbs.

Good guess with my arm's scale estimate...

 

[spiritofmusic]

Thanx guys. So…confirmed S. Tellus is a LITTLE more than 10lb. Let's get back to SQ considerations. I have noticed a user comment on a Korean audio website re Olympos Minimus, stating thru the dodgy automated translation, of a darker, yet clearer sound, the user preferring the preamp thru this new box than his pre-existing S. Tellus. Hope to have comments on my own re Olympos in Jan to pass on. Please, Lord, in my system, let it fail LOL!!!