Sorry, I just cannot understand your logic, or why you think Miguel is the source of my statement that the SP Ultra 5s did harm to the sound of the Troy Signature. As to Miguel's credibility, he is the one who told me about polishing Ultra 5s, and having done so, I would entirely agree. He for some reason tried the ZeroStat on the binding posts of the Signature, and again I found him right on target. He also conceived of shielding the grounding cables and proved their worth.
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Sorry, I just cannot understand your logic, or why you think Miguel is the source of my statement that the SP Ultra 5s did harm to the sound of the Troy Signature. As to Miguel's credibility, he is the one who told me about polishing Ultra 5s, and having done so, I would entirely agree. He for some reason tried the ZeroStat on the binding posts of the Signature, and again I found him right on target. He also conceived of shielding the grounding cables and proved their worth.
Thanks for that John.
Sounds very interesting.
Do you have any information on its size, dimensions and weight?
I am going to be very tempted to try it!
Were you to have a lath I guess you could mount each Ultra 5 on it and use emery paper. Whether by hand or using a lath, you start with 1000 or 1500 and move up to 2000 and 2500. Miguel then uses polish on them. I didn't go that far. Frankly it is a pain to do by hand, but it does work.
After reading this:
http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/new-methods-for-quantifying-sonic-performance-part-two/
I thought about a use for those Entreq cable wooden boxes.
Fill them with zinc-coated steel BBs and put them on and under equipment.
http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/new-methods-for-quantifying-sonic-performance-part-two/
I thought about a use for those Entreq cable wooden boxes.
Fill them with zinc-coated steel BBs and put them on and under equipment.
More detail and faster, it really is strange I think. Had anyone but Miguel told me, I would no doubt have ignored him.
i'll bet it simply reduces smearing of the detail, adding to leading edge naturalness and clarity; which is a similar effect when I added Wave Kinetics A10 U8's under the network pods of my TA Opus MM2 speaker cables. and makes perfect sense that you are simply focusing (reducing the blur) of the grounding effect. you don't hear the blur or smear until it's removed. and the lower noise in your system, the more it will reveal itself.
when Winston Ma first sold his ball and cup decoupler; he would demonstrate what polishing the balls and cups would do to add clarity. like a better bearing in a tonearm or even a motor. smoother is more mechanically correct with less noise.
no different than how the bearings work in your GT3 motor. a little grit and it's not as happy. hard to understand what is so hard to understand.
the Stillpoint (a mechanical device) functions better if it's moving parts are more perfectly smooth. the only question is the degree of benefit and it's audibility.
in your GT3 it might be a 10th of a second in lap time.....or the difference between a functioning motor and a lump of metal.
What isn't clear to me....is the subject polishing the internal ceramic bearings of the still point by disassembling them or the exterior stainless steel of the stillpoint ? If it's the later, it makes zero sense. If it's the former good luck polishing ceramic bearings any better than they already are.
who knows exactly what surfaces are actually polished?
I recall with my Grand Prix Audio Monaco rack they had an upgrade to 'Apex' footers and they had an upgrade from chrome ball bearings to silicone nitride; and even in footers under a rack you could hear the difference those smoother surfaces would make. your ears can hear the absence of non-linearity's.
I understand when some mysterious acoustic trick is met with serious skepticism. but pretty much anything mechanical we know matters as our systems get more and more dialed in. there is so much distortion in our attempts to reproduce reality that our ears will keep telling us as we get closer and closer. they know what real is.
I'm hardly skeptical about Ultra 5s having put my whole system up on 30 of them but I have to admit I seriously doubt the notion of polishing them for improved clarity. Not saying that its not possible but rather it's just not a fit with their design approach but look forward to any comment from Stillpoints USA - but I fear with these kind of claims that the flat earthers may well eat us alive!
On the Entreq Silver Tellus I found similarly variable results from component to component with some outcomes as John from Stillpoints found with his Berning pre. In context of my system I found great results with that wonderfully fluid signature Entreq musicality when applied to my Shindo pre but then not so beneficially for my amp gaining additional fluidity but also losing some structure and sense of attack. Another example how variable these kinds of things can be and the importance of a home trial.
I have implemented both Shunyata and Stillpoints products comprehensively throughout so also going into Entreq for a grounding approach could be just over cooking the duck a bit (to lovingly quote my grandmother). I loved Entreqs effect on the preamp but everyone's mileage is gonna vary given how powerfully yin it is in nature and also how a mix of Shunyata and Stillpoints might be sufficient to the task of mechanical and electrical isolation without Entreq. I could well imagine had I not used Shunyata and Stillpoints quite so intensively then clearly a different but cost effective noise minimization approach could have been just using Entreq alone. A mate with the amazing Tune Audio Anima horns with SET amps runs a Typhon with Shunyata Anaconda cables and also the Silver Tellus and this sounds brilliant with the Entreq in the mix. Clearly Shunyata, Stillpoints and Entreq do similar things in terms of lowering the noise floor but they still manage to sound quite different to each other so the mileage with each mix is as usual going to vary.
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All of us were a bit "skeptics" before listenning Entreq. Also because most of us already treated mains and isolation, but Entreq is complementary of other treatments and there is a trial period so no risk to take and you could be rewarded beyond your expectations.
I really don't know how to react to your self-centered posting. I really don't care why you matter. Incidentally, I think it is obvious that I was talking about polishing the outer part of the Ultra 5s.
