Forget it Jake, it's Audiophile

[Atmasphere]

Yes but thats a feeling , its some kind of emotional click you get when the music is playing .
Its an emotional thing its the only way listening to music makes sense to me
To my ears i have succeeded ( others might think differently off course ) .

Its a feeling

The ear/brain system has a variety of tipping points. One of them is where the music processing, normally done in the limbic centers, is transferred to the cerebral cortex. This happens seamlessly when the brain is finding something 'not right' and so becomes more analytical. IME when the system is doing its job right, the music has a more emotionally involving nature, foot tapping and the like, because the limbic centers are doing the processing the way it should be.

 

[andromedaaudio]

Music needs to make me relax , slow / forget time a little .
It doesnt have to be a very expensive system by the way .
I can make a second hand system now with 40-50 K secondhand and never look back .
A mix of new and old

 

[Atmasphere]

Music needs to make me relax , slow / forget time a little .
It doesnt have to be a very expensive system by the way .
I can make a second hand system now with 40-50 K secondhand and never look back .
A mix of new and old

All the system needs is proper bandwidth and a distortion signature that is innocuous and not annoying. If it can do that with detail, it will work.

A guilty pleasure of mine is to put on tunes after I get home from work; despite the volume (more than conversational level) I find it very relaxing and easy to nap to. If its bright and harsh there's no way...

 

[awsmone]

Music needs to make me relax , slow / forget time a little .
It doesnt have to be a very expensive system by the way .
I can make a second hand system now with 40-50 K secondhand and never look back .
A mix of new and old

Interesting
although at times music relaxes me, fat more often I find it stimulates me cerebrally
live concerts I come out all tingling and inspired

good audio systems I am expecting something not far removed

I could never consider B?ch chaconne from the 2nd violin partita sleepy, but intense

however it’s damn annoying if harsh , to me natural sound has nothing to do with relaxation other than that part of the brain saying yes this sounds good don’t worry

 

[andromedaaudio]

however it’s damn annoying if harsh , to me natural sound has nothing to do with relaxation other than that part of the brain saying yes this sounds good don’t worry

May be i should have said a good system makes you concentrate on the music .
When thats the case you can relax .
if its not the case one can start swapping cables/ gear .. audio-pile

 

[microstrip]

(...) That's inaccurate and a misrepresentation of facts! Peter experienced what's possible and how "natural" and realistic music reproduction can be, nothing to do with how he perceives music.

As I have expressed several times and many scholars explained perception of music (live and reproduction ) also comes through education. As a mentor you strongly influenced him.

No relevance to the topic but I can repeat it again. I heard it for the first time with the Lamm ML2 and L1, the phrase/term "natural" came from Vladimir and it was immediately clear what it meant. IME the people who oppose the term or are either confused by it have never achieved or heard it in a system!

No, IMHO it is very relevant. Although he does not refer directly to Natural Sound (TM) in his interviews he explains that his electronics are designed upon a mathematical model of human hearing mechanism he has developed - I even read in reviews Vladimir Lamm said he does not need to listen to his creations to know how they sound.

Again you misrepresent and make it sound as if this is the Manchurian Candidate! You have a lot of opinions about a system you haven't heard or a place you haven't been to!

david

You are the one misrepresenting posts. I never gave an opinion about your and Peter systems. Just learned from reading his words about your system and how it influenced him.

My main experience in this field is playing with a lot of Lamm gear.

 

[PeterA]

May be i should have said a good system makes you concentrate on the music .
When thats the case you can relax .
if its not the case one can start swapping cables/ gear .. audio-pile

The word concentrate to me implies work or effort. I think a good system makes one experience the music or feel the music or get lost in the music. Jim Smith said the goal should be to think about the listening session the next day.

I am enjoying this discussion and reading about what fellow members value about the music listening experience. The differences are fascinating and the language of how we describe this is what I think Tim and Karen are after.

 

[microstrip]

(...) To me a system is natural if its able to convey the artists intention , whatever music it is

Who are the artists to you? Do you include the producer/recording and mastering engineer in the list?

 

[andromedaaudio]

Who are the artists to you? Do you include the producer/recording and mastering engineer in the list?

No
The one who wrote the music

 

[DasguteOhr]

Music needs to make me relax , slow / forget time a little .
It doesnt have to be a very expensive system by the way .
I can make a second hand system now with 40-50 K secondhand and never look back .
A mix of new and old

What you need is a refurbished Musical fidelity david amp, a Triangle comete speaker,a Thorens td 320 turntable with with a old technics mm
Epc 205 catrtridge and a teac x1s cd player. You can buy it used all for 4k€.
You don't need more for good music its sound so amazing, i can live with this system to my life ends. Exsample newer amp

 

[microstrip]

No
The one who wrote the music

I see. Unfortunately we are no debating live concerts.

 

[andromedaaudio]

I see. Unfortunately we are no debating live concerts.

What does that have to do with it??
A good recording /mastering engineer makes the artists music shine .
Live or in the studio its all about the artist .

 

[PeterA]

No
The one who wrote the music

The composer’s intent comes to us, the listeners, through the interpretation and translation and creation of everyone in between. That is why I am simply trying to get a similar experience from my system that I hear from the concert hall.

That still leaves the recording engineers in between and the people making the records or the people writing the code for the streamers and very importantly, the designers of our gear and the people setting it up.

 

[tima]

Almost is what makes this statement true.

I had you in mind when I wrote 'almost'. Innovation deserves recognition.

 

[tima]

Some are just tired of the constant prescription popping up every month.

Misunderstanding is pretty consistent and so is refinement.

 

[andromedaaudio]

The composer’s intent comes to us, the listeners, through the interpretation and translation and creation of everyone in between. That is why I am simply trying to get a similar experience from my system that I hear from the concert hall.

That still leaves the recording engineers in between and the people making the records or the people writing the code for the streamers and very importantly, the designers of our gear and the people setting it up.

Thats why i want a system thats getting out of the way so it can reveal the musical message .
That also incl minimised imprint of producers mixers gear and room in a ideal world
The music creator is real the artist

 

[Gregm]

If its bright and harsh there's no way...

Have you tried measuring the in-room response that you find "bright & harsh"?

I was curious and actually did measure with the help of a friend. We inserted a little dsp between dac & server and listened to a contemporary Bach recording (Cafe Zimmermann). What I found particularly objectionable was a lift -- vs. the 100Hz ref -- in the 4-6kHz region, even 1 dB was annoying.
(The recording is fine, we used the dsp to experiment!)
Of course there is nothing scientific about this

 

[Gregm]

Thats why i want a system thats getting out of the way so it can reveal the musical message .
That also incl minimised imprint of producers mixers gear and room in a ideal world

Most systems impart artefacts, a reasonable pursuit IMO is to reach a point where these artefacts are unobtrusive (or imperceptible)

The music creator is real the artist

Agreed. However, our connection to the musicians comes via the dual filters of recording & mastering.

 

[tima]

Have you tried measuring the in-room response that you find "bright & harsh"?

I was curious and actually did measure with the help of a friend. We inserted a little dsp between dac & server and listened to a contemporary Bach recording (Cafe Zimmermann). What I found particularly objectionable was a lift -- vs. the 100Hz ref -- in the 4-6kHz region, even 1 dB was annoying.
(The recording is fine, we used the dsp to experiment!)
Of course there is nothing scientific about this

Could we take discussion of dsp/room correction to its own thread, please.
Thank you.

 

[Gregm]

Could we take discussion of dsp/room correction to its own thread, please.
Thank you.

TIma, it's not about room correction at all.
It is about trying to correlate a measurement with what makes music sound "harsh & bright & objectionable" to my ears .
In my case it's a FR bump in the 4-6kHz region. (The dsp is not the protagonist, it's a tool)