Gryphon Mephisto (and Alexandrias)

Hi,

Here are some videos of the Gryphon Mephisto Stereo driving TAD R-1.

http://www.hificlube.net/Sections/Details.aspx?articleID=23653§ionID=2

For us at Ultimate Audio the Mephisto is the best Stereo Amp we have heard so far! And we have heard some! ;)
Enjoy! And If someone will go to Lisbon please give us a call that we are more than happy to pick you up to our store!

All the best
Miguel

Wow...great! Like the organ track in particular! How does Mephisto compare to Colosseum or Antileon which are the 2 I have owned? Currently love my Colosseum and am most intrigued by Mephisto! Thanks for any insight.
 
Hi,

Here are some videos of the Gryphon Mephisto Stereo driving TAD R-1.

http://www.hificlube.net/Sections/Details.aspx?articleID=23653§ionID=2

For us at Ultimate Audio the Mephisto is the best Stereo Amp we have heard so far! And we have heard some! ;)
Enjoy! And If someone will go to Lisbon please give us a call that we are more than happy to pick you up to our store!

All the best
Miguel

Nice Set-Up .... Sounds great , even if it's just a video . Could you possibly tell me the component , on the bottom shelf of the main rack . Is it the Gigawatt PC-4 Evo , by any chance ?
 
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Hi,

Here are some videos of the Gryphon Mephisto Stereo driving TAD R-1.

http://www.hificlube.net/Sections/Details.aspx?articleID=23653§ionID=2

For us at Ultimate Audio the Mephisto is the best Stereo Amp we have heard so far! And we have heard some! ;)
Enjoy! And If someone will go to Lisbon please give us a call that we are more than happy to pick you up to our store!

All the best
Miguel

Miguel, I'm 100% with you on the Mephisto. Ever since I acquired it, I've been learning new things from it. Absolute control of the speakers (whatever they may be), great dynamics, thumping bass, sweet mids and highs and oh, so warm sounding!
I will try it with a Jadis JP 500 preamp and see what happens.
 
Peaks or sustained it will be the same power required ....if your avg din on say carmina Burana is 88 db then peaks will exceed 103db , the dynamic explosion of the recordings will not be captured by its class-a rating ....

Of course lots of variables , mileage may vary .....:)


How would you interpret the figures quoted for the Vitus Master-Piece Mono - MP 201 : 100W of pure, continuous class-A power (or 300W in class-A/B) dedicated for the higher frequencies, and a whopping 500W of class-A/B power on tap for the lower frequencies (1400W peak). http://goo.gl/8XUwA Not particularly earth shattering specs for a statement amp . Going by figures quoted to sustain lifelike dB levels , they would be pretty much at their limits . So , is there more to a design than just the specs ?
 
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Miguel, I'm 100% with you on the Mephisto. Ever since I acquired it, I've been learning new things from it. Absolute control of the speakers (whatever they may be), great dynamics, thumping bass, sweet mids and highs and oh, so warm sounding!
I will try it with a Jadis JP 500 preamp and see what happens.

Is "thumping bass" an audiophile term or a car stereo nut bag term? When I think of "thumping bass," I think of the cars I hear coming down the road and all you can hear is "boom, ba-boom, boom, ba-boom..." and I just know that every screw inside that car is loose including the ones between the driver's ears.
 
Is "thumping bass" an audiophile term or a car stereo nut bag term? When I think of "thumping bass," I think of the cars I hear coming down the road and all you can hear is "boom, ba-boom, boom, ba-boom..." and I just know that every screw inside that car is loose including the ones between the driver's ears.

Webster's dictionary says when used as an adjective, it means impressively large, great or excellent and I mean exactly that.
 
Hi folks,

I am a user of Goldmund Telos 2500 Monoblocks but the Gryphon products have been in my dreams since I was a teenager. In particular I am keen to demo a pair of mono Colloseums. Can anyone summarise their sound and is it necessary to use a Gryphon preamp? Or can I keep my Goldmund 22S which is excellent.

Cheers

Howie
 
Hi folks,

I am a user of Goldmund Telos 2500 Monoblocks but the Gryphon products have been in my dreams since I was a teenager. In particular I am keen to demo a pair of mono Colloseums. Can anyone summarise their sound and is it necessary to use a Gryphon preamp? Or can I keep my Goldmund 22S which is excellent.

Cheers

Howie

Howie, I think you can keep your 22S, an excellent pre. I use a Burmester 808 MK5 with my Mephisto and they are a good match. I had compared the 808 with the Pandora and they are more or less of the same level and I presume your 22S will be the same as well. Earlier, I had listened to the WAMM system driven by the 22S and 4 Telos 1000 and I was stunned by the sound!
 
Hi folks,

I am a user of Goldmund Telos 2500 Monoblocks but the Gryphon products have been in my dreams since I was a teenager. In particular I am keen to demo a pair of mono Colloseums. Can anyone summarise their sound and is it necessary to use a Gryphon preamp? Or can I keep my Goldmund 22S which is excellent.

Cheers

Howie

Howie Welcome , good to see you here . Check page 2 of this thread , there is an in-depth sound summation of the Colosseum by Lloydlee21 . Look him up , he should give you good advice, on most things Gryphon .... Cheers !
 
Howie, I think you can keep your 22S, an excellent pre. I use a Burmester 808 MK5 with my Mephisto and they are a good match. I had compared the 808 with the Pandora and they are more or less of the same level and I presume your 22S will be the same as well. Earlier, I had listened to the WAMM system driven by the 22S and 4 Telos 1000 and I was stunned by the sound!

I might have to try it. Would it fair to surmise that Gryphon's preamps aren't afforded the same accolades as their power amps?

Howie Welcome , good to see you here . Check page 2 of this thread , there is an in-depth sound summation of the Colosseum by Lloydlee21 . Look him up , he should give you good advice, on most things Gryphon .... Cheers !

Thanks Arshad for the welcome. I will check it out. It is unusual to find such in depth discussion on Gryphon stuff!

howie
 
Howie,
You are right. Gryphon amps are certainly better than their pres. But the latest Pandora is very good. I had listened to the 22S and it was fabulous. It should have no problem matching the Colosseum. Check the impedance just to make sure.
 
Hi Howiebrou,

Thanks, Jazzhead...hope i can live up to that intro! ;) Colosseum sound is probably best done in the context of what i've heard/compared:
- Comparison: CJ MV60, Goldmund Mimesis, Gryphon Antileon, Boulder 2060, Krell Evo Ones
- Heard in same room almost identical set up: MBL Ref Monos, D'Agostinos, ARC Ref 210s, Ref150

1. Happy to focus on a particular comparison if you're familiar with one or two of the above
2. Bass: the Colosseum's bass combines the more organic quality of the tube amps above...with the far more propulsive power and also control of the Boulder 2060 above. It is, for me, the best of both worlds. On some other SS amps, somehow i feel the power of the bass, but the kodo drums dont feel natural/live to me...almost too controlled, more about the tight thwack than about the little vibrations/decay that come after the thwack. On Kodo drums, with Colosseum, i alway smile, as well as with deep house synthesizer bass...its always there, always controlled, with multiple lines of bass each being handled separately and effortlessly.
3. Mids: I loved my little CJ MV60 for magical mids...the Colosseum has never left me wanting for that liquid beautiful midrange, but it is more detailed, far, far quieter in the background/noise floor, and so as much as i love tubes, i have never felt the desire to seriously consider a change up. I came across an opportunity to look at Zanden monos and passed primarily due to power and long-term potential to drive harder, lower impedance speakers. I cannot say that i have heard SOTA tubes, but i do not feel any lack from those tube amp above i have heard
4. Highs: The Colosseum is far more extended than the Antileon which otherwise has a similar character to the Colosseum elsewhere in the spectrum. It is also more illuminated (not bright), so that highs have equal standing in a piece of music (with very, very pure natural tonality so that triangles and other instruments have natural ring to them, not just 'ting' here or there). The older Antileon recessed these...pleasantly...but recessed. And there was more grain in the Antileon compared with the Colosseum. Slight but there in comparison. Single to low double digit percents in this case...recording materials will matter far more than this difference.
5. Overall: The Colosseum in comparison to the Boulder 2060 (which is stunning as an amp) is that it feels to be more just this side of organic. I cannot say warmer, because i am not sure it is...and i cannot say Boulder is cooler because i am not sure it is either. Jeff Fritz of UltraAudio called it more intimate an amp in its presentation of performers when comparing the 2 amps...perhaps that is it. Not a difference in the size of soundstage which varies as much as i've ever heard an amp...from big to small, distance to near-mike. just more intimate with performances. Some have felt Boulder can be too pristine. I don't. But I certainly can understand how some might say that...I think it would far less likely someone says that about Gryphon Colosseum.

Finally, i have learned about how important an effortless presentation can be for me...it brings all music back to performers who made a recording because the amp is better able to handle dynamic ranges, multiple lines of instruments all at once, maintain contrapuntal themes, and make it look easy...which is often what i heard when i listen to great musicians live. You hear far more of the nuances and themes in music which take me to a live situation as opposed to a reproduction where the system may do certain things well and not others, or where it omits them to avoid making errors.

If you have more questions, let me know. hope that is somewhat helpful.
 
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Hi Howiebrou,

Thanks, Jazzhead...hope i can live up to that intro! ;) Colosseum sound is probably best done in the context of what i've heard/compared:
- Comparison: CJ MV60, Goldmund Mimesis, Gryphon Antileon, Boulder 2060, Krell Evo Ones
- Heard in same room almost identical set up: MBL Ref Monos, D'Agostinos, ARC Ref 210s, Ref150

1. Happy to focus on a particular comparison if you're familiar with one or two of the above
2. Bass: the Colosseum's bass combines the more organic quality of the tube amps above...with the far more propulsive power and also control of the Boulder 2060 above. It is, for me, the best of both worlds. On some other SS amps, somehow i feel the power of the bass, but the kodo drums dont feel natural/live to me...almost too controlled, more about the tight thwack than about the little vibrations/decay that come after the thwack. On Kodo drums, with Colosseum, i alway smile, as well as with deep house synthesizer bass...its always there, always controlled, with multiple lines of bass each being handled separately and effortlessly.
3. Mids: I loved my little CJ MV60 for magical mids...the Colosseum has never left me wanting for that liquid beautiful midrange, but it is more detailed, far, far quieter in the background/noise floor, and so as much as i love tubes, i have never felt the desire to seriously consider a change up. I came across an opportunity to look at Zanden monos and passed primarily due to power and long-term potential to drive harder, lower impedance speakers. I cannot say that i have heard SOTA tubes, but i do not feel any lack from those tube amp above i have heard
4. Highs: The Colosseum is far more extended than the Antileon which otherwise has a similar character to the Colosseum elsewhere in the spectrum. It is also more illuminated (not bright), so that highs have equal standing in a piece of music (with very, very pure natural tonality so that triangles and other instruments have natural ring to them, not just 'ting' here or there). The older Antileon recessed these...pleasantly...but recessed. And there was more grain in the Antileon compared with the Colosseum. Slight but there in comparison. Single to low double digit percents in this case...recording materials will matter far more than this difference.
5. Overall: The Colosseum in comparison to the Boulder 2060 (which is stunning as an amp) is that it feels to be more just this side of organic. I cannot say warmer, because i am not sure it is...and i cannot say Boulder is cooler because i am not sure it is either. Jeff Fritz of UltraAudio called it more intimate an amp in its presentation of performers when comparing the 2 amps...perhaps that is it. Not a difference in the size of soundstage which varies as much as i've ever heard an amp...from big to small, distance to near-mike. just more intimate with performances. Some have felt Boulder can be too pristine. I don't. But I certainly can understand how some might say that...I think it would far less likely someone says that about Gryphon Colosseum.

Finally, i have learned about how important an effortless presentation can be for me...it brings all music back to performers who made a recording because the amp is better able to handle dynamic ranges, multiple lines of instruments all at once, maintain contrapuntal themes, and make it look easy...which is often what i heard when i listen to great musicians live. You hear far more of the nuances and themes in music which take me to a live situation as opposed to a reproduction where the system may do certain things well and not others, or where it omits them to avoid making errors.

If you have more questions, let me know. hope that is somewhat helpful.

Wow. Thank you for the insight. Glad to meet a real gryphon aficionado at last. Just to give you a flavour of what amps I have used personally, I have had Soulution 710, Kondo Ongaku, Goldmund Telos 2500 (current), Meridian DSP 8000s, Einstein, Jeff Rowland, Mcintosh MC2000 etc over the years.

The sound I like is slightly warm, organic and sweet and not brutal, thumping and coarse. I like neutral but not soulless. Hope some of this makes sense. I am very happy with the Goldmund amps. To me the many of the swiss brands have just the right balance of sweetness and musicality that you don't find in other countries' offerings except for the french brands, but overall I much prefer the European sound. The Ongaku was unsurpassed for tonal quality but it could not reproduce large scale recordings well enough. I found the Soulution ironically soulless after about 6 months of use. Perhaps it is too neutral for me.

This brings me back to Gryphon. I have heard the integrated amp on a lot of occasions. It had a nice organic flow to the music but was somewhat 'dark' sounding, even more so than MBL. From thread it would appear that the Colloseums don't have that issue. I was also told by some dealers that there was a reliability issue with the colloseums and the heat that was generated. BUt that was a single comment and I have not heard it since, although admittedly I have hardly met anyone who has actually owned them for an extensive period. I might need to try and get a pair home to demo some time.:p

howie
 
Hi Howiebrou,

Thanks, Jazzhead...hope i can live up to that intro! ;) Colosseum sound is probably best done in the context of what i've heard/compared:
- Comparison: CJ MV60, Goldmund Mimesis, Gryphon Antileon, Boulder 2060, Krell Evo Ones
- Heard in same room almost identical set up: MBL Ref Monos, D'Agostinos, ARC Ref 210s, Ref150


If you have more questions, let me know. hope that is somewhat helpful.

I should have added all things " Zanden " as well ..;) . That is some spectacularly detailed feedback , as expected . So much so that you have set me thinking . All of which begs the question on the comparison, between a stereo and mono pair of Colosseum amps . I am sure you have dissected the merits v draw backs on this , and I for one would be very interested in reading your thoughts on the subject . I am sure the Zanden duo is a singing , and one cannot but help hearing an Arrakis 1 calling out somewhere in the future. Enjoyyyy !

PS : there does not seem to be much of a void in the MRP, between the Colosseum and the Mephisto (Stereo) 43k to 50 k . Is that reflective of current pricing ?
 
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The sound I like is slightly warm, organic and sweet and not brutal, thumping and coarse. I like neutral but not soulless. Hope some of this makes sense.

howie

The words "thumping" and "course" don't sound like words I would use to describe a high-end amplifier. They sound more like descriptive words I would use to describe a car stereo system.
 
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The words "thumping" and "course" don't sound like words I would use to describe a high-end amplifier. They sound more like descriptive words I would use to describe a car stereo system.

You're right of course. I was exaggerating somewhat to get the point across although it must be said there are certain products in the highend that are little better than a crap car stereo IMHO!:eek:

Howie
 
I should have added all things " Zanden " as well ..;) . That is some spectacularly detailed feedback , as expected . So much so that you have set me thinking . All of which begs the question on the comparison, between a stereo and mono pair of Colosseum amps . I am sure you have dissected the merits v draw backs on this , and I for one would be very interested in reading your thoughts on the subject . I am sure the Zanden duo is a singing , and one cannot but help hearing an Arrakis 1 calling out somewhere in the future. Enjoyyyy !

PS : there does not seem to be much of a void in the MRP, between the Colosseum and the Mephisto (Stereo) 43k to 50 k . Is that reflective of current pricing ?

You are far too generous...mine is just one man's opinion. Regarding your comments:

1. I have been told by 2 people that the difference between Antileon Signature Stereo and mono is greater than that between Colosseum Stereo and mono. Bear in mind, all the big Gryphon amps are true dual mono inside...the Antileons actually have 2 power cords for each Stereo amp. The Colosseum is true dual mono all the way thru until you get to the plug connection. The Mephisto (i believe) is once again 2 power cords for stereo. So, while there is ALWAYS a difference...the question is depending on your speakers...will you really hear it? I am sure the answer is yes...but would i prefer 1 stereo Mephisto to a Colosseum mono? With my speakers i would guess the Mephisto stereo.

2. The difference in price between Mephisto and Colosseum is something i PMd Howie about...which is if you are going to start from the beginning...i would probably go for Mephisto. It was not out when i bought my Colosseum...and i managed to get mine at a very attractive discount second hand in any event which is highly unlikely with Mephisto. That said, the pricing differential almost seems to be a manufacturer statement about the difference between the two...in fact, i am told by the manufacturer the difference between my old Antileon (non-Signature) and my current Colosseum is far greater than the difference between the Colosseum and the Mephisto.

As for Zanden...i am going to be listening to the dual monos next month at a friends place...will post my thoughts. I have been told by 3 people who heard the Zanden monos driving the Q7s...it was magic. I am also told by someone who has a sensational system and whose comments has always struck me as quite discerning...that he heard the Zanden monos drive the Aidas...and had an initial impression they were every bit the equal of the mighty Lamm ML3s...which cost nearly 3x the price.
 
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