I'd like to hear from Stillpoints directly that "improper implementation was executed." Would double sided tape be considered proper implementation? I have not read that anywhere. I had thought that they needed to be "a credit card distance from the bottom of the speaker." So I assumed from that that they should not be flush against the bottom of the speaker. There are also reports that speakers can be leveled by changing the height of the Stillpoint inserts? How would this work with sticky tape? I think I read that one user described how he simply put them between the floor and his speakers and he was told that he would get bad results because he was not using them properly. So I guess I would have to figure out how to lift the center of the puck away from the underside of the speaker and what to do when the tape dries out and my speakers slide off the stand in the middle of the night or during a listening session.
Absent an official word from Stillpoints, "improper implementation" is just conjecture. If they are in fact not meant to go under the Magico Mini 2 speaker stand, then that is fine. In that case, they are not designed for my specific application and I would not buy them in that instance anyway.
Also, I'm now curious why I in fact observed some positive results like "increased sense of depth and spacial information and an enhanced mid range presence that made vocals and violins sound more beautiful". If I had them improperly installed, why did I hear some positive attributes from their use? Ack and I only described what we heard in some detail, both the positive and the negative, in order to share the listening impressions with others who may appreciate a more balanced report. As LL21 wrote, "no tweak is perfect."
There are other members of this forum who have also had "mixed" results with these products and a few who sold them after having quite a few in their systems. Clearly, they work great in some contexts and less so in others.
When someone expresses "mixed results" with a cartridge, or simply that it was not right for him, do thread followers and owners of the cartridge suddenly question the guy if the VTA was proper, the VTF enough, the azimuth correct or the alignment right? Or do they just accept that that cartridge was not the right fit for that tonearm/analog front end, that system or that user?
This is a forum in which we share listening impressions and ideas about the hobby.
Who'd have thought it would be tweaks like these that would bring out such strong opinions in people? I'm sure there must be a way to objectively discern one way or the other whether Peter was justified in using the 5s how he did. And hence if his experience was or wasn't to the full advantage of the 5s. This reminds me of the active isolation/Table Stable thread where posters, incl. myself got pretty heated re advantages claimed, and correct utilisation of said devices. I was one of the few who had doubts, and was impressed, but knocked out in the short trial I managed to set up.
What's interesting is that a good 90% of Stillpoints guys swear by them, but there is a significant minority like peter who find they fall flat. YMMV, I guess.
for me once i sort out power issues further (PC/IC loom, more Entreq grounding, I'm going to get back to isolation as my final series of tweaks and seriously a-b Ultra 5s v Symposium Acoustics Rollerblocks.
Peter, here's Steve's own comment on presumably properly installed Stillpoints under his speakers: In spite of all this my first impression suggested a softening to the sound. The sharpness I had in some sounds was now slightly softer, less edge if that makes sense
and subsequently: I thought the same because it is almost an oxymoron to say the deep bass and mid bass is so much clearer and cleaner but yet there is some softening of the sound.
http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showt...Steve-Williams&p=250599&viewfull=1#post250599
A clear case of 'you win some you lose some' - and in Steve's case (and others?) you win the most, based on his subsequent comments - perfect. Not in your system, and your hearing and approach are just fine. Nothing else to say. Physics works as prescribed. Not a no-brainer product - not surprised others are selling them.
Ahh but Peter you didn't read my next few posts which, after readjusting my upper speaker modules to account for the change in speaker height, that magic was there once again and in full force
Cool; apparently, your speakers' weight keep the Stillpoints immobilized and fully energized - not in PeterA's case. All these observations are still in line with what I said earlier, that these devices need adequate weight to properly activate them, and that mobility (or sway) cannot be a good thing for speakers. Still not a no-brainer product from this vantage point.
but if they are on bearings and frictionless how can you say that adequate weight is needed to activate the device.
I don't think Magico recommends anything other than what comes with their speakers. Not even QPods.
AFAIK, the QPods are to be used for electronics, not speakers.
alexandre
I don't think Magico recommends anything other than what comes with their speakers. Not even QPods.
AFAIK, the QPods are to be used for electronics, not speakers.
alexandre
Wilson doesn't make a statement recommending Stillpoint's either, but............
They do improve the sound of Wilson speakers, at least in my case.
Not to slap the Stillpoints fan boys too much...BUT one of the BIG problems that I believe that we have in this hobby is people stating absolutes that aren't necessarily correct. Stillpoints most likely will and do work well with SOME gear....BUT like everything in the hobby, a universal isn't likely to be the case. As I posted earlier, the friend who owns Vandy 7's thought they were a disaster for his speakers. They clearly don't work well with Peter A's Magico's either. The fact that some of you are happy with the results with their Wilson Alex's...means that they work well with the Wilson Alex's in "certain conditions"....BUT not that they will work well with Wilson Alex's in ALL instances. The moral here would seem to be that as usual, and this applies I believe to ALL gear, one simply has to audition new gear with one's own system to be sure of improvement. That's why they say YMMV.
Wilson doesn't make a statement recommending Stillpoint's either, but............
They do improve the sound of Wilson speakers, at least in my case.
Sorry, two different things. One manufacturer is neutral (Wilson), the other is actively against them (Magico). And, as I said, not just any particular brand of tweaks, they're against ANY tweak.
Arrogance maybe, but they trust their product.
alexandre