I ve seen much worse forums than this , id say WBF (W stands for ??) is still the best of the bunch , and no i am not tired of measured results or the scientific approach , endless discussions about cables are far more boring to me
It's time to go, see ya later.
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You got it wrong, Myles. The direction this board is heading is a good one. From Amir's post on another recent thread, "WBF Poll: Which Sounds Better, Digital or Analog?":
So, no, the troubles are all on PeterB.
Is it coincidence that Amir lauded the behavior of WBF members on a recent thread where PeterB did not, or hardly, participate? I don't think so.
Nah, this all can't have to do with a forum's "direction." Forums have long been exactly the same as they are today, with a mix of threads that go well and others that devolve into bickering. Maybe some threads did not go the way Peter B wished they did, but blaming a whole forum's culture? Lols.
Peter B. tried to publicly shame some people, but only brought shame on himself in the end, IMO.
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Guilt by association? Really?
That Peter suicided himself here is not in question. That he did so in an infantile manner is neither acceptable or forgivable. That he did this on the back of some high-handed and ill-conceived posts only makes matters worse.
And yet, that it elicits a similarly childish response is beneath a forum of the supposed quality of WBF. Whatever happened to "I disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it?" and why did it get replaced by "ooh, an angry mob, I'll just get my pitchfork!"
wow, how long will this thread go on ? He decided to leave....time to move on from the subject rather than let it continue to fester and ooze. I vote to close the thread and let it die.
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Myles, Peter did this to himself with his name calling and attitude. Did some of us chime in. Yes. But I have seen this many times before with Peter. Yes, personal experience. He never learns. You will learn eventually. I respect you and Terry. Peter not so much.
I have allowed Amir's arguments to bother me in the past but the truth is when you are talking Harman testing you are talking sense. Amir was wise when he chose the product lines he carries because he can fall back on science to make his points as well as his pitch.
Peter B's appeal to authority rely on self-proclaimed expert status. But I have seen him extol the virtues of a marble power strip and I can deduce that he does not have as much science backing him up as Harman offers Amir
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Alan, this is not about disagreement and the right of somebody to voice their disagreement. This is about the tone of disagreement that Peter showed which in no way was acceptable as you point out yourself. Please do not confuse the two.
It's clear Myles and Peter have a different mindset WRT Audio forums. I'm assuming the new PB forum encourages descriptors like "wankers", "cowards"?
On a lighter note - It's a shame it's come to this since Peter has been providing some of the best audio show and equipment commentaries via YouTube. His insight and experience on this forum will be missed.
On a lighter note - It's a shame it's come to this since Peter has been providing some of the best audio show and equipment commentaries via YouTube. His insight and experience on this forum will be missed.
You should be specific Myles as I am getting questions about this so I will give my data. There is absolutely no other side to this story from our vantage point. I have not argued with Peter on any thread here. I don't even remember the last time I exchanged any posts with him. The only communication I had with Peter was a PM he sent me when the other thread was running asking me to sanction a member. I explained to him that I could not do that because he was doing the same, and that as industry person, it is more his responsibility to take the high road than any other member. He wrote me a nice answer back saying he will do that. That has been it.
FYI, we were asked to close his other thread but we chose to trust the membership to guide it well and they did, ending on a sweet note, discussing ice cream.
. So it is clear, I find Peter very personable, and one of the more cordial members of high-end audiophile people. I also find his videos educational in the way he lets industry people speak to us first hand. They are not reviews, or investigative reporting but nevertheless useful to me and I hope to the membership.
In this type of landscape, I have no explanation or justification for his actions. They are completely inconsistent with my views of him, even now. If there is another side to the story Myles, you and he know it, but not me. If he was fed up with my graphs and such, he could have reached out to me. Or Steve. Nothing like this happened. I wake up one morning and see this thread.
Everyone now has our side of the story. If there is more to it, it is among you guys, not us.
You should be specific Myles as I am getting questions about this so I will give my data. There is absolutely no other side to this story from our vantage point. I have not argued with Peter on any thread here. I don't even remember the last time I exchanged any posts with him. The only communication I had with Peter was a PM he sent me when the other thread was running asking me to sanction a member. I explained to him that I could not do that because he was doing the same, and that as industry person, it is more his responsibility to take the high road than any other member. He wrote me a nice answer back saying he will do that. That has been it.
FYI, we were asked to close his other thread but we chose to trust the membership to guide it well and they did, ending on a sweet note, discussing ice cream.
So it is clear, I find Peter very personable, and one of the more cordial members of high-end audiophile people. I also find his videos educational in the way he lets industry people speak to us first hand. They are not reviews, or investigative reporting but nevertheless useful to me and I hope to the membership.
In this type of landscape, I have no explanation or justification for his actions. They are completely inconsistent with my views of him, even now. If there is another side to the story Myles, you and he know it, but not me. If he was fed up with my graphs and such, he could have reached out to me. Or Steve. Nothing like this happened. I wake up one morning and see this thread.
Everyone now has our side of the story. If there is more to it, it is among you guys, not us.
Thank you for making your case so eloquently. As a result, I'm kind of even more at a loss to wonder what caused Peter's outburst in the first case.
I'm somewhat protective toward people being victimised on forums (not just reviewers) because not everyone has a thick enough skin to cope with being on a forum. If this is indicative of Peter's current psychic state, if he's reading this, I suggest staying off all forums for a considerable time, because it's taking its toll.
Did you ever hear the one about the old lady who was angry that there was so much TV sex and violence on her DVR?
Given his exit approach here, I can only imagine what his response would be to the first poster in his new website who expresses a view that does not align itself perfectly with his !!!
Could be fun!!
Could be fun!!
You should be specific Myles as I am getting questions about this so I will give my data. There is absolutely no other side to this story from our vantage point. I have not argued with Peter on any thread here. I don't even remember the last time I exchanged any posts with him. The only communication I had with Peter was a PM he sent me when the other thread was running asking me to sanction a member. I explained to him that I could not do that because he was doing the same, and that as industry person, it is more his responsibility to take the high road than any other member. He wrote me a nice answer back saying he will do that. That has been it.
FYI, we were asked to close his other thread but we chose to trust the membership to guide it well and they did, ending on a sweet note, discussing ice cream.
So it is clear, I find Peter very personable, and one of the more cordial members of high-end audiophile people. I also find his videos educational in the way he lets industry people speak to us first hand. They are not reviews, or investigative reporting but nevertheless useful to me and I hope to the membership.
In this type of landscape, I have no explanation or justification for his actions. They are completely inconsistent with my views of him, even now. If there is another side to the story Myles, you and he know it, but not me. If he was fed up with my graphs and such, he could have reached out to me. Or Steve. Nothing like this happened. I wake up one morning and see this thread.
Everyone now has our side of the story. If there is more to it, it is among you guys, not us.
Having read the threads, I am not aware of another side of the story either. Amir has not been arguing with Peter, neither badgering him or anything else off subject; instead, Amir is arguing measurements, quoting Toole et al, and points to Stereophile having commented on the Revel Salon 2 being the best speaker they have heard... and such... I stopped reading that thread because it was quite obvious LISTENING is not something Amir seems to "push" as much as measurements, "research" papers, etc, but that's his problem and should not bother anyone else. From reading Peter's so-long note, I think he was tired of those technical arguments, but so what... do what I did, look away.
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