Magico M3 MPod 3 Point Speaker Stands

(...) I find it curious that they don't just make it an integral part of the M3speaker and raise the price a bit. It seems like it could be a stand alone product but sized differently for different speakers. We don't yet know enough details about what the intention is. It's fun to speculate, but perhaps more information will be forthcoming.

As you say it is fun to speculate ... IMHO and experience, perhaps they have considered that customers have very different types of floor that impact performance of the speaker differently and also that some systems would benefit from the stand, others not so much. Probably even the choice of electronics can affect the decision of using or not the stands.

As the stand of the Mini II's is very heavy and at some time I did not have help to move them I used them for a few days without the dedicated Magico stand, on an old good quality sand filled Target stand. Nigh and day, as they say ...
 
I Drank the Kool-Aid

Don't flame me. I bought the M3's AND I bought the MPod base. Why? Because I have a pair of loaner S1 Mk II's in my listening room now and they are the punching all my buttons at a price point that is astounding. So it's really a matter of trust. If the engineers who designed the S1 say a pair of M3's or a pair of M3's with the footers are incredible I'll believe them. Until its time not to believe them. I employed the same philosophy with dCS, with Dan D'Agostino (in the old days at Krell and now with his new company) and also with Transparent Audio. I have been a consumer of these products since the early 90's and have consistently bought their upgrades (usually at prices that made my eyes water) because they were always an improvement (to my ears) over the previous products. When and if Magico doesn't deliver the goods, I'll move on. But until then I'm a believer.

As for the cost, Research and Development takes money. I close my eyes and pull the trigger and will continue to do so as long as the sound achieved justifies the price to me. Pure capitalism at work.

Cincy
 
Frantz,

We'll said, agree with all of your thoughts.

The Mpods appear quite sophisticated in design-

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The practice is for manufacturers to be constantly looking for the 'sucker' with more money than sense...

The first “sensible” thing to do before lashing out and insult those who have “more money than sense” (did you mean more money then you ;) ) would be to understand what these “4 pieces of aluminum and 6 MPods rip-off“ actually do, and how they are constructed. If indeed they are built like a giant QPod, they will be expensive to make.


FrantzM

You have been “talking the talk” for years, but you buy nothing, why are you so upset? If high–end manufactures would have to depend on clients like you, there would be no high-end. Check out the name of this forum and get over it, the “best” will cost, usually a lot. Do you go on Porsche forums and complain about the cost of ceramic brakes even though you only drive a Subaru?

It is sad that no one here on this thread bother to actually understand or explain the mechanism of a “constrained-layer damping” footer, which I believe is what these feet are. It looks to me that even the dealer, as graceful as he is, the poor man, does not understand what that stand is doing, and that is where the manufacture is at fault for not explaining its technologies better. On the other hand, it does not seem like audiophiles or dealers care to spend any time understanding what it is they are buying – if it sounds good that all that matters, right??
 
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The first “sensible” thing to do before lashing out and insult those who have “more money than sense” (did you mean more mony then you ;) ) would be to understand what these “4 pieces of aluminum and 6 MPods rip-off“ actually do, and how they are constructed. If indeed they are built like a giant QPod, they will be expensive to make.


FrantzM

You have been “talking the talk” for years, but you buy nothing, why are you so upset? If high–end manufactures would have to depend on clients like you, there would be no high-end. Check out the name of this forum and get over it, the “best” will cost, usually a lot. Do you go on Porsche forums and complain about the cost of ceramic brakes even though you only drive a Subaru?

It is sad that no one here on this thread bother to actually understand or explain the mechanism of a “constrained-layer damping” footer, which I believe is what these feet are. It looks to me that even the dealer, as graceful as he is, the poor man, does not understand what that stand is doing, and that is where the manufacture is at fault for not explaining its technologies better. On the other hand, it does not seem like audiophiles or dealers care to spend any time understanding what it is they are buying – if it sounds good that all that matters, right??

Cannata,

Sorry, I'm not a "poor man" (I don't judge rich or poor monetarily) and this device was just announced on Friday. There will be a full technical explanation available shortly....stay tuned.
 
Cannata,

Sorry, I'm not a "poor man" (I don't judge rich or poor monetarily) and this device was just announced on Friday. There will be a full technical explanation available shortly

Sorry, I meat "poor" for needing to deal with some of these guys that feel you owe them something... I dont know how you do that, I would be a very bad dealer :(;)
 
Sorry, I meat "poor" for needing to deal with some of these guys that feel you owe them something... I dont know how you do that, I would be a very bad dealer ;)

:)....it's fun:) And I probably should have waited for a full technical explanation to provide prior to posting on Friday, but I actually was excited as I talked to others who are waiting to hear the M3's and they were excited to hear the new Mpods as well. Without the full technical explanation you can't blame anyone for questioning the price for "speaker stands".

Cincy said it above and I'm on his frequency, because since I have lived with the S5IIs, the S7's and recently the S1II, I sort of believe whatever Alon says at this point. The performance of all of these three speakers has "stunned me" personally and so many visitors that have heard them as well. Because of this last six months of living with these products if the M3 is a "step up" and then the MPod addition is another "step up", then I'm in....but only because of what I have experienced with the other three recent products.

Btw, since Friday, when I originally started this thread I have had 4 more people contact me that want to hear the M3 and Mpods once they arrive.....so it's all good from my perspective:)
 
:)....it's fun:) And I probably should have waited for a full technical explanation to provide prior to posting on Friday, but I actually was excited as I talked to others who are waiting to hear the M3's and they were excited to hear the new Mpods as well. Without the full technical explanation you can't blame anyone for questioning the price for "speaker stands".

Cincy said it above and I'm on his frequency, because since I have lived with the S5IIs, the S7's and recently the S1II, I sort of believe whatever Alon says at this point. The performance of all of these three speakers has "stunned me" personally and so many visitors that have heard them as well. Because of this last six months of living with these products if the M3 is a "step up" and then the MPod addition is another "step up", then I'm in....but only because of what I have experienced with the other three recent products.

Btw, since Friday, when I originally started this thread I have had 4 more people contact me that want to hear the M3 and Mpods once they arrive.....so it's all good from my perspective:)

I am waiting for my S5 Mk2, I am with you on that. I wish I can buy the M3, but unfortunately I am not one of those with more money than sense:(
 
I am waiting for my S5 Mk2, I am with you on that. I wish I can buy the M3, but unfortunately I am not one of those with more money than sense:(

Congrat's on theS5II's....great speaker, I'm sure you will enjoy them!
 
rvsinta


Not the technology. The asking price. The ever increasing price of things High End Audio with no end in sight. The rationalization , that goes with it. High End Audio seems to be the only technological segment where prices go on increasing for little to no gains. Side steps is our forte and high prices is the new normal.
Magico has been dabbling in this region, they have been doing the crazy expensive isolation accessory dance for a while. They are repeating with this, knowing very well (some) audiophiles will go for it. Reminds me of Boulder charging $16,000 extra for black version on an amp, at least they didn't pretend it made the amplifier better ...

I may be alone there but this leaves me with quite a sour taste about a company that I tend to respect for the quality of its products. Call that an reminder that after all it is just business... You charge what the market can bear ... There are however strange, subliminal psychological limits and in some ways this goes over my threshold for tolerance.

The same company makes a rack that costs $50k, so not sure any of this (absurdity) is surprising.

I'd be pissed if I had M3s on order and now was told my grounding was insufficient and would cost me another 10k.
 
The same company makes a rack that costs $50k, so not sure any of this (absurdity) is surprising.

I'd be pissed if I had M3s on order and now was told my grounding was insufficient and would cost me another 10k.

The grounding is not insufficient, the stock footers/grounding on the M3 is as good as the MPro, S5II, S7 and S1II, which if you like Magico are great sounding speakers. This is just an upgrade to the already great sound. You don't have to buy it and you still will get excellent overall performance, just like the other newest/latest models. But for those that want that extra jump in performance it is available.
 
Hey Marty,

It was great to meet you....thx so much for the visit and kind words. Look forward to our next listening session whenever that occurs.

That was a PiGreco Sonfinia (Italian) cdp being used as a transport for the Vitus DAC. The Vitus 100Watt Class mono amps were the SM102's.

Bob (Northstar) HI, it's been a while, hope all is well.

Everyone has a different perspective on things, it is what it is. I totally understand all of your perspectives regarding pricing in the high end audio industry. It's your opinions and I respect everyone's opinion.

Regardging the Mpods, I have five or six people that are waiting for my M3's to arrive to listen to them. I've told them all about the Mpod stand. Four out of the six M3 interested customers definitely wanted to hear the M3's with the MPod set up and if they purchase M3's will probably purchase the MPod stands. And that's one small NYC dealer, with a product that has not even arrived or been heard yet. Add that up with an international dealer network. My prediction is that most people that purchase M3's will opt for the Mpod stands.

There is a difference between actual M3 buyers and forum activity that critiques and does not agree with a manufacturer's pricing policies.

Again, my offer stands, would really enjoy visits from any of the WBF members for a listening session.....please bring your own great music to turn me onto as Marty did!

I have to add this- I am an audio dealer because I love listening to music and I love gear as well. I also love playing music (guitar and keyboards). Here's the thing, I know how much I love the S7's, they REALLY float my boat. I am "betting" on the come with the M3's that I am going to like them even more. Not as a dealer, but as a listener and music lover. If in fact I was buying the M3's for my personal use for $75K and I liked them as much or more than I like the S7's and I could make them sound significantly better for an additional $9600, then I would have no problem with that.

It's all relative, it you have $300K worth of electronics and cables and are buying $75K speakers, then an extra $10K just doesn't seem to matter, IF it ups the game sonically in a noticeable/positive way. Maybe it does to you, but personally the cost does not matter to me, I'm after sonic performance. Neither does $30K speaker cables or even $100K preamp (that's with a $20K phono board option and a $12K Silver wound SUT included btw), AGAIN IF it increases not only my listening pleasure but I happen to like the company and it's values and the aesthetic look of the product.

There are thousands of audiophiles globally with $300K+ systems. They buy Tripoint grounding devices for $75K, what if the Mpod stands made just as much of a difference as a $75K grounding box, would it still be foolish to purchase? There are SO MANY crazy priced audio products out there. There are also reasonably priced products that sound great too. But there is a reason for Chevys and Ferraris, Timex and Rolex, etc. We are living in a global environment at this point and sometimes things that seem out of wack to a certain geographic region seem totally normal in another area.

Sorry for rambling but I just don't see the big deal about $10K speaker stands that I think are highly engineered devices that support 300+ lb speakers and make them sound better and supported by a first class company. They are also engineered to have wheels installed in the bottom of the stands so the M3's "roll out" of their crates and then you can simply remove the wheels and lower the speaker down which is then supported by the MPod stand. When dealing with 300+ lb speakers all of this means something, again for me personally.

Some of you think they are a rip off, I personally don't, sorry we just disagree. I respect your opinion but honestly it doesn't bother me if you do not respect my perspective, that's all in your heads not mine:).....peace be with you!

Right on Bob! Very well said; we all have our own opinion, and we are free to buy anything we want and can afford in life. It's just the way it is.
If I can share my own opinion on the M3 QPod foundation platforms (outrigger feet)? ...Just strictly as price/material equation and not from experience.
If not, I will abstain. :b

Cheers, and thank you Bob, I'm doing splendid in my life today. We live in a crazy world but I found a way to manage in total harmony within. :b
Keep on listening and playing the music, in stereo and in multichannel, and watching movies...in 2D and in 3D...in 2K and in 4K...Blu-ray.
ARC for life! - Nelson :b
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That is simply outrageous! :D ...But! This audio business never promised us balance. That, only us can decide of its true weight.
 
Sorry, I meat "poor" for needing to deal with some of these guys that feel you owe them something... I dont know how you do that, I would be a very bad dealer :(;)

Cannata

You're amusing. Do you own Magico stock? You are really that vested in a Brand? Wow! Is it the same for your favorite sports team? I can understand some enthusiasm but this is bordering insanity.
Back to the subject at hand... The M-Pod :D
 
Cannata

You're amusing. Do you own Magico stock? You are really that vested in a Brand? Wow! Is it the same for your favorite sports team? I can understand some enthusiasm but this is bordering insanity.
Back to the subject at hand... The M-Pod :D

Yes, I own stocks, one pair of S5 (almost sold), and another one (Mk2) coming :D

But back to the MPod/stand etc,

Let me try, since the manufacture didn't find the time to do so :confused: to explain how these footers work and why they are anything but simple or economical.

Assuming this foot is similar to a QPod, then it is a multi-layer device were a “sandwich” is formed by laminating the stiff base layer to a damping layer and adding a third stiff constraining layer at the bottom. In the QPod case, Magico has double up on the "sandwich" and added copper and stainless steel to the mixture. When the system flexes during play, vibrations are channeled to the middle damper where they dissipate, preventing vibration from going thru the component to the floor and vice versa. I have 2 set of 3 QPods, one under my Cd player and one under the Preamp, and I can tell you that it is the most effective foot I have ever heard in my set up (I also tried the SP, which are actually more expensive).

If these do to a speaker what the QPods do to components, some are in for a treat. I personalty wont buy these simply since I cant afford to.
 
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Yes, I own stocks, one pair of S5 (almost sold), and another one (Mk2) coming :D

But back to the MPod/stand etc,

Let me try, since the manufacture didn't find the time to do so :confused: to explain how these footers work and why they are anything but simple or economical.

Assuming this foot is similar to a QPod, then it is a multi-layer device were a “sandwich” is formed by laminating the stiff base layer to a damping layer and adding a third stiff constraining layer at the bottom. In the QPod case, Magico has double up on the "sandwich" and added copper and stainless steel to the mixture. When the system flexes during play, vibrations are channeled to the middle damper where they dissipate, preventing vibration from going thru the component to the floor and vice versa. I have 2 set of 3 QPods, one under my Cd player and one under the Preamp, and I can tell you that it is the most effective foot I have ever heard in my set up (I also tried the SP).

Nice explanation and here is further information on the QPods.http://magico.net/product/qpod.php There will be similar information forthcoming on the MPods.
 
Don't flame me. I bought the M3's AND I bought the MPod base. Why? Because I have a pair of loaner S1 Mk II's in my listening room now and they are the punching all my buttons at a price point that is astounding. So it's really a matter of trust. If the engineers who designed the S1 say a pair of M3's or a pair of M3's with the footers are incredible I'll believe them. Until its time not to believe them. I employed the same philosophy with dCS, with Dan D'Agostino (in the old days at Krell and now with his new company) and also with Transparent Audio. I have been a consumer of these products since the early 90's and have consistently bought their upgrades (usually at prices that made my eyes water) because they were always an improvement (to my ears) over the previous products. When and if Magico doesn't deliver the goods, I'll move on. But until then I'm a believer.

As for the cost, Research and Development takes money. I close my eyes and pull the trigger and will continue to do so as long as the sound achieved justifies the price to me. Pure capitalism at work.

Cincy

Well said. I could happily write something along similar lines, although sometimes I do not take upgrades too easily. Some people act as if everyone in this business is a potential cheat and love to criticize even without debating the devices. WBF is a great forum also because sometimes we are some of the first people to get news about new devices from dealers or manufacturers. We should thank them, and surely ask the proper questions.

Unfortunately the argumentation line against tweaks or similar devices is almost all the times the same - the price, if it its needed then it is proof of poor design of the equipment and the poor guy who now feels compelled to spend some extra money. But almost never a real analysis and criticism on the device it self or its value for money.
 
microstrip

Criticism advance the state of the arts more so than blatant shill. You seem to take offense to any criticism toward any product or High End manufacturer. I am not sure why. Are everything they make all great and good? mhhhh??? If they were so perfect why do you think they issue updates or change models? This tendency of yours is also to me, amusing if somewhat puzzling.
WBF is that: A forum where people are allowed to voice their opinions. If you do consider a $10k pod normal and fair game that is great and fine. It remains my right also to opine differently. So stop the (veiled) ad hominem and let's agree to disagree.
I do know that I am far from alone finding this pod a tad expensive :) ...

I still like the Q3, I will listen to other stuff, if I like the alternative less I will purchase a Q3 when the M3 is fully out and people start unloading their Q3 (hopefully) :D since it will be by then old technology and the new models will blow it away.
 
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I find it curious that they don't just make it an integral part of the M3speaker and raise the price a bit. It seems like it could be a stand alone product but sized differently for different speakers. We don't yet know enough details about what the intention is. It's fun to speculate, but perhaps more information will be forthcoming.

Several reasons, in addition to Microstrp’s points above.

Economically, this is called price discrimination. You see companies charging different prices in virtually everything, from sports seats to airline seats. In short, having options brings Magico more money than having only one price.

Now the guys who buy used at 50%-60% off are a different customer than someone who pays for new. But even those who buy new are not monolithic. Porsche has the 911 Carrera, 911 Carrera S, 911 Carrera 4, Carrera 4S, not even mentioning the convertible variants, nor the plethora of options – all within $15K or so of each other.

So someone who can only afford $75K right now on the speaker can add another $10K next year for these absorber footers to “catch up”. Flexibility is a wonderful and valuable thing for both fans and manufacturers. (Technical economic term for flexibility is real options)

Psychologically, guy are better off not buying the pod footers immediately. Anticipation of a fun activity can be more pleasurable than the activity itself – just ask guys and gals thinking about a big date : ). Guys who buy the speaker and the footer together don’t get to have this extra fun, and get acclimated to what they have pretty fast. But waiting and dreaming how the speaker you already love can only get better is genuine fun. My advice to guys who buy the footers at the same time: don't put them on right away!
 
Yes, I own stocks, one pair of S5 (almost sold), and another one (Mk2) coming :D

But back to the MPod/stand etc,

Let me try, since the manufacture didn't find the time to do so :confused: to explain how these footers work and why they are anything but simple or economical.

Assuming this foot is similar to a QPod, then it is a multi-layer device were a “sandwich” is formed by laminating the stiff base layer to a damping layer and adding a third stiff constraining layer at the bottom. In the QPod case, Magico has double up on the "sandwich" and added copper and stainless steel to the mixture. When the system flexes during play, vibrations are channeled to the middle damper where they dissipate, preventing vibration from going thru the component to the floor and vice versa. I have 2 set of 3 QPods, one under my Cd player and one under the Preamp, and I can tell you that it is the most effective foot I have ever heard in my set up (I also tried the SP, which are actually more expensive).

If these do to a speaker what the QPods do to components, some are in for a treat. I personalty wont buy these simply since I cant afford to.

Cannata, how is this footer different than stillpoints or the criticall mass harmonic resolution stands that seem so popular with the audio journalists these days?
 

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