Magico M9

[dcathro]

My experience with selling large scale systems (Goldmund Epilogue, Goldmund Apologue, Avantgarde Trios/BHs, Magico M9s) is that there are gents on the planet, where $$$ is not an important variable in their overall equation. Although in the residence that they are dealt with that allows them to put in a top tier audio system there happens to be a room that is usually too small. They realize this. Most customers (20+) that I have sold these type speakers/systems to are really smart individuals. They understand all of the pros/cons before they make their decisions.

So then they have a choice of buying a smaller speaker that from an audiophiles perspective would be a better match for the room, would probably sound better and would be the correct course of action. OR they could buy a mega size system and stuff it in the room because that is what they decide to do and what makes them happy. These folks could care less if the guys on audio forums approve of their shenanigans, most of them don't even read audio forums. They just want those crazy cool speakers (to them) in their life.

A lot of time if they have too big of a speaker for a small room they just don't crank it up. A waste to many but not to them. They are happy to have the speakers that they love and they are totally aware of the limitations that go along with installing the speakers into the available space which they had avaiable.

I had one customer that I pleaded with that the speakers were WAY TOO BIG for his room. He looked at me and said, STUFF THEM IN THERE. Figure it out. I want them. So I did and he loved them.

Well said, that was the point of my analogy. Sometimes it is all about the TOY

 

[Rhapsody]

Well said, that was the point of my analogy. Sometimes it is all about the TOY

I would say that of the large scale systems that I have sold probably 75% of them have been purchased just because they were BIG COOL, FUN TOYS! Not that they were going to be amazing sounding speakers.

 

[Elliot G.]

I would say that of the large scale systems that I have sold probably 75% of them have been purchased just because they were BIG COOL, FUN TOYS! Not that they were going to be amazing sounding speakers.

I have no doubt that this is true however they aren't the ones posting here, So as this may be accurate it really isn't helpful to those about which the sound is important. Material excess or greed is good are really not audio terms.

 

[ecwl]

My experience with selling large scale systems (Goldmund Epilogue, Goldmund Apologue, Avantgarde Trios/BHs, Magico M9s) is that there are gents on the planet, where $$$ is not an important variable in their overall equation. Although in the residence that they are dealt with that allows them to put in a top tier audio system there happens to be a room that is usually too small. They realize this. Most customers (20+) that I have sold these type speakers/systems to are really smart individuals. They understand all of the pros/cons before they make their decisions.

Going a bit off topic. I wonder how many of these types of customers allow you to put in acoustic treatments into the room? I also wonder how many of them ended up having an audio system with DSP to do some room correction to tame down some of the bass overloading.

My hunch is none of them. But I'm curious to know.

 

[Rhapsody]

Going a bit off topic. I wonder how many of these types of customers allow you to put in acoustic treatments into the room? I also wonder how many of them ended up having an audio system with DSP to do some room correction to tame down some of the bass overloading.

My hunch is none of them. But I'm curious to know.

All of the Goldmund systems have DSP built into the systems. VERY FEW do any acoustic room treatments but some do. I would say 75% don't do room acoustics and 25% do. But that is just my experience. Another dealer might have the exact opposite percentages.

 

[Rhapsody]

I have no doubt that this is true however they aren't the ones posting here, So as this may be accurate it really isn't helpful to those about which the sound is important. Material excess or greed is good are really not audio terms.

Are you saying that I should not say it, even though it's been my reality, just because it doesn't help those that care about sound? It was brought up that sometimes it's just about TOYS and I was confirming that in my experience it has definitely been the case. Nothing more than that.

Not saying it's correct or incorrect just sharing my experience.

Edit: Actually a lot of these customers are good friends of mine that I have known for over 20 years. They have great families, they are really caring people, they give a LOT to charities and a lot of them are very humble.

Just because they have built very successful lives for themselves and their families and that they can buy a crazy audio system if they choose to do so, doesn't make them greedy or have material excess, imho.

Many of these customers have multiple residences, several with homes in the US and abroad. They might have 10 or a 100 car collections. They don't show off either their audio systems, their homes, their car or plane collections. They just use them for their own satisfaction.

You might attach the terms greed or material excess to them, that's ok. I don't feel like that about them and I know them pretty well.

 

[microstrip]

Thanks for your reply. I am sorry, but if I would have to spend so much money for a speaker, it better not have too many compromises. Loss of detail resolution would be unacceptable to me at that price point.

I would probably not want to live with rather significant soundstage compromises either, if that's the drawback of the Magico M9.

I'm already painfully aware about compromises in my system, at my price point. No interest having to do that at mega dollars, at least not to a major extent, if I could afford such a system.

Stereo is a compromise. In order to get more of it you have to accept implementation compromises. BTW, since long it is known that pure rigidity does not mean quality in this hobby. Instruments help designers to choose materials, they do not choose them. High-end speakers are a showcase of their designer subjective perspective on stereo and music, not a scientific achievement.

BTW, anyone having lived a few years with ESL63 properly amplified and fed knows he looses detail resolution when he moves to more ambitious designs.

 

[Elliot G.]

Are you saying that I should not say it, even though it's been my reality, just because it doesn't help those that care about sound? It was brought up that sometimes it's just about TOYS and I was confirming that in my experience it has definitely been the case. Nothing more than that.

Not saying it's correct or incorrect just sharing my experience.

Edit: Actually a lot of these customers are good friends of mine that I have known for over 20 years. They have great families, they are really caring people, they give a LOT to charities and a lot of them are very humble.

Just because they have built very successful lives for themselves and their families and that they can buy a crazy audio system if they choose to do so, doesn't make them greedy or have material excess, imho.

Many of these customers have multiple residences, several with homes in the US and abroad. They might have 10 or a 100 car collections. They don't show off either their audio systems, their homes, their car or plane collections. They just use them for their own satisfaction.

You might attach the terms greed or material excess to them, that's ok. I don't feel like that about them and I know them pretty well.

you can say whatever you want I am not one to tell you what you can or can't say. I just said it really has nothing to do with the discussion

 

[Rhapsody]

Well said, that was the point of my analogy. Sometimes it is all about the TOY

Elliot, this comment was made in this thread and it was part of the discussion. I answered to this post not to what you were discussing. There are several discussions going on in this M9 thread. If you don't like what I am saying put me on ignore or don't bother reading my posts.

 

[Elliot G.]

Elliot, this comment was made in this thread and it was part of the discussion. I answered to this post not to what you were discussing. There are several discussions going on in this M9 thread. If you don't like what I am saying put me on ignore or don't bother reading my posts.

Bob, I think you are being WAY to sensitive, I can express my opinion just like you can. There was no intent to do anything and you decided to make a deal out of it. I really dont care to whom you sell thats not my business.

 

[Rhapsody]

Bob, I think you are being WAY to sensitive, I can express my opinion just like you can. There was no intent to do anything and you decided to make a deal out of it. I really dont care to whom you sell thats not my business.

I’m not making a big deal out of anything. I was just stating my opinion and you stated yours and I’m stating mine back. Nothing more than that. BTW, I’m a sensitive guy. It is what it is.

 

[ecwl]

I have no doubt that this is true however they aren't the ones posting here, So as this may be accurate it really isn't helpful to those about which the sound is important. Material excess or greed is good are really not audio terms.

I think when I was younger, I used to be jealous of the uber wealthy who can afford amazing systems but really have awful setups.

But as I met more and more local audiophiles and participate in more and more forums online, I realized that we all have different preferences for our audio system and have different financial circumstances or home circumstances that limit what we can do acoustically in our listening room.

While it is great that Ron Resnick recently asked people to post their in-room frequency response and most who posted have really nice curves, I'm sure many didn't post and of the people I know locally, I doubt very few would have anything as nice as what was posted in that forum.

But at the end of the day, the fact that most of us spend our time posting in these forums or even own a remotely expensive stereo system usually means that we care about the music and we care about our listening experience. So to me, who am I to judge how much money people want to spend on their stereo and what kind of room and acoustics they're listening in if they are enjoying their music on their system?

Locally or online, if I can help somebody get more out of their stereo, great? If they don't want to take my advice, that's cool. And for myself, if I can learn from others and get more out of my system, great.

 

[bonzo75]

BTW, I’m a sensitive guy. It is what it is.

Sensitive and efficient, as is the way to be in audio

 

[KeithR]

I would say that of the large scale systems that I have sold probably 75% of them have been purchased just because they were BIG COOL, FUN TOYS! Not that they were going to be amazing sounding speakers.

Because you’re in NYC probably with Wall Street clients. Not particularly the real world.

 

[Rhapsody]

Because you’re in NYC probably with Wall Street clients. Not particularly the real world.

I've never sold one large scale system to a "Wall Street Guy". I've sold smaller systems to guys that work on Wall Street.

The large scale systems that I've sold over the years, have mostly been to business owners, actually only one was in NYC. The other systems have been located all over the US, in the "real world".

Also a few medical professionals, executives from large corporation, a few retired normal guys who had $300K houses and an $800K audio system. All kinds of guys, but not Wall Street guys.

 

[Lagonda]

I've never sold one large scale system to a "Wall Street Guy". I've sold smaller systems to guys that work on Wall Street.

The large scale systems that I've sold over the years, have mostly been to business owners, actually only one was in NYC. The other systems have been located all over the US, in the "real world".

Also a few medical professionals, executives from large corporation, a few retired normal guys who had $300K houses and an $800K audio system. All kinds of guys, but not Wall Street guys.

The Wall Steet guys all buy Wilson !

 

[andromedaaudio]

Wall street guys buy any speaker they can make money off of.
Pump n dump .
Buy a brand promote it ....and then dump it for a higher price

 

[andromedaaudio]

The Wall Steet guys all buy Wilson !

Lol all show, the newest models look a well to sell swiss clock

 

[CKKeung]

My experience with selling large scale systems (Goldmund Epilogue, Goldmund Apologue, Avantgarde Trios/BHs, Magico M9s) is that there are gents on the planet, where $$$ is not an important variable in their overall equation. Although in the residence that they are dealt with that allows them to put in a top tier audio system there happens to be a room that is usually too small. They realize this. Most customers (20+) that I have sold these type speakers/systems to are really smart individuals. They understand all of the pros/cons before they make their decisions.

So then they have a choice of buying a smaller speaker that from an audiophiles perspective would be a better match for the room, would probably sound better and would be the correct course of action. OR they could buy a mega size system and stuff it in the room because that is what they decide to do and what makes them happy. These folks could care less if the guys on audio forums approve of their shenanigans, most of them don't even read audio forums. They just want those crazy cool speakers (to them) in their life.

A lot of time if they have too big of a speaker for a small room they just don't crank it up. A waste to many but not to them. They are happy to have the speakers that they love and they are totally aware of the limitations that go along with installing the speakers into the available space which they had avaiable.

I had one customer that I pleaded with that the speakers were WAY TOO BIG for his room. He looked at me and said, STUFF THEM IN THERE. Figure it out. I want them. So I did and he loved them.

I agree with you 100%.

Smallish listening room is so common in Japan and Hong Kong.
If we read the home-visit reports on Stereo Sound magazine of Japan and hifi magazines of HK, most if not all the of the audio systems are so.

 

[Al M.]

I agree with you 100%.

Smallish listening room is so common in Japan and Hong Kong.
If we read the home-visit reports on Stereo Sound magazine of Japan and hifi magazines of HK, most if not all the of the audio systems are so.

I guess the room posted in #1200 (page 60) is then huge relative to the usual rooms in that area. Even though the M9 have to be close to the sidewalls.