Heard a system like this many years ago...it was very impressive. Before horns i had 5 pairs of electrostats (One Stax, one Audiostatic and three big Acoustats), and 2 ribbon speakers (Infiinity IRS Beta and Apogee Caliper Signatures) and 1 DIY/hybrid (using a BG planar magnetic driver), so I really like the sound of good stats/planars and it is still one of my favorite speaker technolgies.add a few quads to it, and listen afterwards then you go into the garden and burn your speakers, I promise ... joke
Modern speakers vs Vintage speakers
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Here the modified 801 F the box behind it is outsourced to the xover.
was a lot of work, but it was worth it?
was a lot of work, but it was worth it?
completely new case built with pyramid mahogany veneer. Xover parts 1500€.
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Why is more power handling an improvement?
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Never liked the sound of this speaker...sorry, IMO, not very good sounding...
IMO it is not...lower efficiency, requires more power, and it means larger cone excursion with invariably more distortion.
I suspect that the quest for WAF, and cost of production in whatever order but likely both drove speakers to Ferrite magnets and boxed solutions.
Its because the basic principle never changed .one wonders what has been done in terms of development over the past 60 years. nothing at all.
Its still the same midrange tech , which is responsible for a large part of the freq range
They reinvente the magnet / drive system once in a while .
Put some magnet material in the spotlight again which existed 60 years ago already .
Paper membranes still sound great , they also existed 60 years ago already
The units do measure a bit flatter i suppose due to more refinement .
But thats all
You never heard modified version, but is ok tastes are different. they no longer sound British
Now one could set up the theory that the quality has even decreased although the technology has gotten better. Recycled metals are a problem today, whether separation really always works 100%
not sure, we probably can f.e. make higher grade pure iron for the core inside the voice coil, and UP OCC copper for voice coils is likely an improvement too...same as for measuring vibrations with f.e. laser for membrane optimization etc. I'd guess that old school knowledge and new school technology is a force to be reckoned with IF properly applied.
was just a thought, because the more it is recycled, the quality suffers. I don't know how much pure raw material ore is mixed with it.
I think that is true when ordering 'steel', at the same time there is a highly specialized steel industry catering for about anything you could ever want and more from a steel. I was recently speaking with a maker of phono elements and he mentioned using ultra pure steel for some shielding experiments.
Sound: 9.6add a few quads to it, and listen afterwards then you go into the garden and burn your speakers, I promise ... joke
WAF: -1
Less distortion More power in reserve.you can play louder without strain.speakers from the 50s were mostly very low power handing.
My vintage speakers from the 50s seem to be able to play very loud with little strain and minimal distortion. At least to my subjective perception. I don’t know how much power they can handle but there seems no reason to find out when they operate beautifully on a few SET watts.
It sounds to me like increased power handling ability has become necessary with modern speaker designs. I don’t know if it’s an advancement or simply a response to modern speakers. I suppose it depends on your perspective. Thank you for your response.
power ratings are almost pointless without looking at efficiency, and implementation of the driver....putting 1 Watt into a 98dB/w/m driver in a large front loaded Horn is vastly different from putting 1 Watt into an 89db/w/m driver in a closed box speaker.
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