New Evolution Acoustics "SYSTEM" Speakers paired with Dartzeel

[LL21]

returning to my room, it struck me the degree of immersion, seamlessness, and flow i experience in my system. the musical connection checks all my boxes as it ought to. which makes it so hard to compare. in my room i sit in the nearfield, in a room with my own definition of a perfect balance between live ness and detail. 11 years in the making. then 7 more years since that point i've enjoyed every day with it. the show system was pretty good, but a work in process, starting from scratch Thursday afternoon, the speakers in 14 pieces, the system did not make music until Friday morning early. the room was not terrible, but it was basically a curtained-in area inside a very large room. so the degree of immersion from a seamless presentation was lacking. i would say there was nothing wrong, but it did not really gel completely, except here and there. and some of those were fantastic.

so applying what i did hear from the SYSTEM 7 to my MM7's to compare i have to digest the pieces of what i heard and connect the dots.

the good news is the tech of the system is basically the same for the MM7's and the SYSTEM 7. the bass tower adjustments are the same approach, slightly different extensions on the bass towers and main towers between the 2 designs. much more the same than not. the SYSTEM 9 would be close to plug and play in my current room.

i also have to factor the new Durand Tosca LE tonearm and darTZeel cartridges, as well as the dart digital, so both pluses and minuses.

i did hear fantastic dynamics and bass articulation from the SYSTEM 7 in spots, when the power grid was not holding it back. i heard very high levels of detail and tonal rightness. and the top to bottom balance was typically great Evolution Acoustics. my gut is that the SYSTEM 7 does surpass the MM7's in degrees in most things. and likely the SYSTEM 9 will be even better by more degrees.

the SYSTEM 7 was fast, fast, fast....when the stars aligned. it was very solid, again, when it was right, and could command the music with authority and sexiness. i heard zero weaknesses. nothing that my room and a little time could not harness. no limitations.

the question is whether the move would be worth it for me, since i'm not actively seeking a different speaker system. what i have is the best thing i have ever heard. so there would be a measure of faith involved in spending the money and effort to go through the process of changing. at this point i would stop short of saying it's inevitable that i will do it. i just retired, so i am learning about that and i want to see if my 'life' priorities adjust.

bottom line is that there is a fair chance i will end up with the Evolution Acoustics SYSTEM 9.

Looks like fair chance has moved quite a ways towards 'good chance'!...let us know when you are prepared to reveal all!

 

[slowGEEZR]

Since the new speakers can deliver frequencies down to 1Hz, future purchasers can be thankful that "Mythbusters" declared the "brown note" myth "busted".

 

[LL21]

This is very surprising!
EA MM's series has a superb extension in first octave;
I was wondering if "system" speaker with its small woofers may suffer less SPL max and more distortion in 20-70 Hz region, neverthless the aluminium Cell woofers are also used by Marten speakers in expensive models with good results, maybe I'm anchored at a vision of too much Classic and old drivers.
Hope that we can see soon some detailed specifications.
How was the listening session in T.H.E. show?

It is interesting that their original MM series utilized 11" mid-bass cones and then as many as 6 x 15" cones in the MM7 reference which Mike has. And now they have expressly gone to the Accuton 7" cones...but stacked 8 in the main speakers...with stackable units of 4 x 7" cones per stack which you can keep stacking..4 at a time. 4, 8, 12, etc per channel.

they clearly have made an express decision to do this.

 

[sbo6]

since my answer to you was incomplete, i left out important things, i'm going to expand my answer to this part of your comment.

there are good reasons for more than one subwoofer tower.

when dealing with subwoofer towers outputting under 50hz, having twin sub towers flanking the passive main tower is preferrable to a single outboard tower as sonically it's more balanced relative to the other frequencies. and extending the tower higher, assuming the room can handle that, is also preferrable since the individual bass sources are more distributed and so the room nodes are reduced. single subwoofer towers are what you see since it's more practical and cheaper, not due to any performance advantage. and we are use to seeing it that way. triple towers requires our comfort zone to be expanded.

seeing a system designed from the ground up with multiple bass towers is different. and an advantage.

and remember, the Evolution Acoustics SYSTEM approach is a single speaker system, not pieces. the main tower is rolled off at the bottom, matched to the slope of the bass towers, and the bass towers get their signal from the speaker terminal of the main towers. i'd put the coherence of my MM7's up against any full range speaker system anywhere for coherence. and the new SYSTEM is no different in that way.

What's even more preferrable to having flanking towers is having subwoofers placed in sonically strategic locations almost always not in proximity to the mains. See Geddes for more scientifically - backed details.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

What's even more preferrable to having flanking towers is having subwoofers placed in sonically strategic locations almost always not in proximity to the mains. See Geddes for more scientifically - backed details.

i can't personally argue the science. it's not my thing. those comments of mine were based on my conversation with the EA System designer. backed up by my personal experience with the stacked bass tower of my MM7's for 13 years. he (Kevin Malmgren) has designed a number of powered bass speakers (VR9SE, VR11SE, MM3, MM7) so has lots of experience with the concept.

with the MM7's it's not just the advantage of the separate bass towers that needs to be considered; but also the -4- 11" mid woofers (30hz-250hz) per side that distribute the upper bass physically too. which is why the System design uses more smaller drivers. to mimic that advantage of the MM7's.

my hunch/guess/SWAG is that distributed subwoofers, or SWARM's or any collection of subs around the room is going to be very room dependent. are there cases where moving the subs around the room is preferred to the tower stack near the passive main tower? sure. more then not maybe. but for better rooms the location nearer the main towers can be more cohesive. "almost" always is not always.

i know how significant the bass tuning was to my highest octave excellence. it was huge at making the highs more believable. there is more to subwoofers than just smoothing bass nodes.

 

[sbo6]

i can't personally argue the science. it's not my thing. those comments of mine were based on my conversation with the EA System designer. backed up by my personal experience with the stacked bass tower of my MM7's for 13 years. he (Kevin Malmgren) has designed a number of powered bass speakers (VR9SE, VR11SE, MM3, MM7) so has lots of experience with the concept.

with the MM7's it's not just the advantage of the separate bass towers that needs to be considered; but also the -4- 11" mid woofers (30hz-250hz) per side that distribute the upper bass physically too. which is why the System design uses more smaller drivers. to mimic that advantage of the MM7's.

my hunch/guess/SWAG is that distributed subwoofers, or SWARM's or any collection of subs around the room is going to be very room dependent. are there cases where moving the subs around the room is preferred to the tower stack near the passive main tower? sure. more then not maybe. but for better rooms the location nearer the main towers can be more cohesive. "almost" always is not always.

i know how significant the bass tuning was to my highest octave excellence. it was huge at making the highs more believable. there is more to subwoofers than just smoothing bass nodes.

No argument Mike, just conversation

Might there be some coherence advantage with sub towers especially given the height of your upper mid - bass drivers, I'd wager yes.

Is there an undeniable benefit to physically and strategically placing subs where they can be most effective in managing bass modes (e.g.: Geddes approach), absolutely, and I have data from rooms that correlate.

In your room, as good as it may be, I'd wager subs placed at optimal locations (highly likely not next to the mains) will yield sonic benefits. I've heard it in rooms as large and "good" as yours. You never know until you try, there's always room to improve.