New Repro cards!

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Leif:
I am not at all surprised.

The Stock Studer A80 Record Card isn't half bad when you bring a very high quality single-ended signal straight in, as you have done with our NextGen Front Panel single-ended output connected as single-ended to the Studer balanced XLR inputs. (For even better results bypass the input transformer, input buffer and wiring to and from the Bridge and it's switches and pots on the record card as I outlined to you. Perhaps you can share these as well in the forum.)

As to the original Studer A810/812/820 Record Card, that is another matter entirely:

I don't recall another record design where so much effort was expended for such limited audio results; 10 NE5532 op amp sections, 3 MDACs, 11 electrolytic capacitors in the signal path, along with some 20 odd PETP, Ceramic, and polypropylene caps used in the signal path to realize opamp EQ time constants, treble and bass adjustments, filters, etc.

(To put this in perspective: try running some 10 NE5532s - even configured as unity gain buffers - in a chain, with or without coupling capacitors - even of the best possible quality - i.e PP or Teflon - between a high quality source and and your amp input; let me know if you are able to listen to this for even a few minutes time when compared to the original source...)

And this does NOT include the Line interface (transformer or transformerless balanced inputs) with some 4 more NE5532 opamp sections and poor bipolar transistor-based parameter switching. Flexibility and microprocessor control in parameter setting :Yes; technical performance and sound quality: functional, but disappointing at best.

Like our NextGen A80 Repro Card, our NextGen A80RC record card is an all-out assault on tape record electronics. It uses just two of the same DC coupled, discrete class A operational amplifiers used in our A80 Repro card, has but 5 polypropylene film (DA<0.05%) capacitors in total used for Group delay compensation, High frequency boost, Bias Trap, and Treble adjustment in the signal path, and 1 in the DC servo.

It also features our 2-stage linear adjustable B-H tape characteristic linearizer for extended low distortion dynamic range and SNR (your 1/4" deck will perform like a 1/2" or even better).

The A80RC Record Card has completed design but is not yet in production; we are eliciting interest to purchase such a card.

In the mean time, we are completing design of our A810/812/820 repro card, and headblock preamp - now in PCB layout - using exactly the same technical approach as employed on our NextGen A80 card; if there sufficient take-up of these and interest in record, I would certainly like to do NextGen Record Cards for the A80RC, and A810/812/820.

Jeff
 
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hi Jeff and Charles
just did the record card mod as suggested
a major upgrade!.....even when the tant lyt already was replaced by a Wima film cap.....
very easy to hear as I play the dub itself in realtime over system
much more solid and clean
the musical "flow" seems much more relaxed and natural
crazy dynamics without a hint of harshness
thxs again
best
Leif

btw did Bruce try this as well?
 
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Just a quick update on status of our A810/820 NextGen repro card solution:

(1) New Dual-channel Headblock preamp stage (identical to the DC-coupled discrete Class A stage used in our NextGen A80RC card), drop-in replacement, proper two-way crosstalk cancellation adjustment, uses existing cabling from the head and to the card cage/Repro Card; Radically lower noise, input bias current through the Repro Head, distortion and near-perfect time domain response free of capacitor memory effect; if you are at all handy with a soldering iron you can make the headblock preamp swap yourself;

(2) The New NextGen Repro Card is a Plug-and Play replacement of the existing Repro Card that fully supports the existing Line I/O cards and VU meters and will fit the A810 with or without the VU Meters installed in the recorder; The HS Record card supports 30 ips AES, and 15 ips NAB and CCIR with switching based on the regular A810 record codes and controls. The LS Record Card supports 15 ips NAB and CCIR, and 7.5 ips NAB with switching based on the regular A810 record codes and controls. on the Repro Card; the Card uses the identical DC-coupled discrete Class A EQ stage, the same EQ adjustments through trimpots, and the same head gap/wavelength model adjustments for LS settings.

(3)The Record card features the identical "Front Panel" mini XLR 4-pin connector for independent unbuffered balanced and single-ended outputs as in our A80 Nextgen Card, but however set back on the board and with a Right-Angle cable mating Connector (break-out cable connector) such that there is no mechanical interference with the VU meter assembly or card cage; this cable is then easily routed out the recorder by a suitable notch or drilled hole in the thin bottom/lower back panel (and which is easily removed with 5 x M4 screws).

What this all means is that we have eliminated the Mechanical Rotary switch for EQ selection used in our A80RC Repro Card front panel, in favor of A810 control of the EQ selection, BUT WITHOUT any of the downsides: the same precision low-signal AgPd contact Relays as used for HS/LS switching on our NextGen A80RC Repro card replace the Rotary switch - still NO jFet or MosFet swiches or the extra virtual ground OPAMP buffers, or MDACs, or coupling capacitors, etc. - still the Purist solution. So now, once the machine's calibration is complete using the internal trimpots, you can close and lock the cover and never have to open it to change EQs.

Utilizing identical circuitry, and same careful layout applied to our NextGen A80 repro card, we fully expect our NextGen A810/A820 Repro solution to perform technically and sonically as well as our A80 repro card, and apart from any effects traceable to residual differences in transport characteristics between the A80/A810/A820, sound indistinguishable from a well maintained and operating A80 with our NextGen A80 Repro Cards.

Development and verification work should be completed in 4-6 weeks, and barring any worsening of the current parts availability backlog, we hope to have first shipments this Fall.

Pricing has NOT yest been finalized, but we are aiming for 2-channel A810/812/820 solution cost perhaps only 15%-20% higher than a pair of our current A80RC Repro Cards; we expect demand will be high, so please sign up with us early if you are at all interested.

As always, we offer total satisfaction: if you are unsatisfied for any reason you can return the product for full refund within 30 days, and we offer a one year full warranty, with return shipping in the US.

Regards
Jeff Polan
Charles King
 

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Bruce - how would you rate these new boards versus your various outboard preamps?

I think in one of my reviews, I couldn't positively tell them apart from the 2 best I've heard (Doshi and KC).
 

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Am I correct in saying that with the A810 repro card the front panel has to be open in order to make the connection?

Could you post a picture of the card installed and in use?
 

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Am I correct in saying that with the A810 repro card the front panel has to be open in order to make the connection?

Could you post a picture of the card installed and in use?

Thanks for your inquiry.

The short answer is NO: that was also a key reason we eliminated the rotary EQ switch, so that once the new Repro cards are inserted and any calibration (trimpot) adjustments are completed, the cover can be closed completely -and be kept closed - for normal Deck operation. Let me explain:

The breakout cable (female) plug that connects to the "Front Panel" mini 4-pin male XLR connector is changed now to a right angle version, and the male connector on the board is recessed enough so that, along with elimination of the rotary EQ selector switch, the cover can close completely - even with the VU meters. To get the cables out is simple enough: you notch or drill a suitable hole in the easily removed thin bottom/lower back cover panel assembly so that the 2 chanel cables can exit. The Studer Service manual shows exactly how the bottom/lower back panel is released by undoing 5 x M4 screws, and the bottom or rear feet provide enough depth to run the cables out without interference whether the deck is standing upright or laid down. That is, once drilled or notched, thread the cables through/out and replace the bottom/lowerback panel assembly.

I don't have anything to show regarding these mechanicals just yet, but I expect we will have at least a mechanical mockup to convey the mechanical situation shortly. Right now we are focussed on function- specific development/test boards, e.g., regarding the processor decoding for EQ control and ack/status outputs, board physical layout of all the components including EQ stage, 4 relays (1 mute , 1 speed select, 2 EQ change), etc. It is a pretty tight package, even with the preamp stage removed to the headblock.

Regards,
Jeff
 

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Just to clarify: our forthcoming Studer A810/812/820 NextGen Card will support the following Speeds/Repro Equalizations:
30 ips AES, 15 ips NAB, 15 ips CCIR ,and 7.5 ips NAB; Selection made from the normal front deck controls and/or Studer-supported remote controls.

When set up as recommended, EQ conformance is expected to be the same as for our NextGen A80 cards:

30 ips AES: typically achieves equal or better than ± 0.75dB 125Hz - 20 Khz, and less than 1.5 dB error at 32 Hz and 63 Hz, according to MRL 250nW/m (full-track) calibration tape, applying standard (McKnight published) low frequency fringing corrections3; -1 dB at 25Khz record/repro response;
15 ips NAB, CCIR : typically achieve equal or better than ± 0.75dB 63Hz - 20 Khz at 15ips, and less than 1.5 dB error at 32 Hz according to MRL 250nW/m full track calibration tapes applying standard (McKnight published) low frequency fringing corrections3; -3 dB at 25Khz record/repro response;
7.5 ips NAB: typically achieves equal or better than ±1 dB 50Hz - 16 Khz according to MRL 250nW/m fringing compensated NAB full track calibration tape.

We do not currently plan to support 7.5ips CCIR or any 3.75 ips equalizations.

This is just a slightly less comprehensive set of supported repro EQs than we offer on our A80 Nextgen repro card, which offers as well an "OTHR" EQ selection which can be factory-configured for either 10us, NagraMaster EQ, StellaMaster EQ, unequalized, or special EQ applications.

regards,
Jeff
 
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anyone else thrown the dice?
I´m sitting here now and enjoying A Dvorak / Ludvig Hoelscher : Konzert for violincello and orchester a famous Telefunken recording from 1959.......fantastic reprocards......
 

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Thanks Leif for the continued positive feedback.

We hardly consider our NextGen A80 (RC) Repro cards a "roll of the dice"....

Not only are these Repro designed and executed to be massively superior to the original stock Studer Repro cards -they are designed and executed to be simply the best that can be acheived today, that is, an all-out purist approach with NO compromises of any kind for tape reproduction.

You don't have to take Charles King's or Jeff Polan's word for it - we guarrantee compete satisfaction: evaluate yourself a set for 30 days, and if you are not entirely happy with the results, return them for a full refund, period.

(Thus far, NO ONE has decided to return their cards.)

Regards,
Jeff
 
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Thanks Leif for the continued positive feedback.

We hardly consider our NextGen A80 (RC) Repro cards a "roll of the dice"....

Not only are these Repro designed and executed to be massively superior to the original stock Studer Repro cards -they are designed and executed to be simply the best that can be acheived today, that is, an all-out purist approach with NO compromises of any kind for tape reproduction.

You don't have to take Charles King's or Jeff Polan's word for it - we guarrantee compete satisfaction: evaluate yourself a set for 30 days, and if you are not entirely happy with the results, return them for a full refund, period.

(Thus far, NO ONE has decided to return their cards.)

Regards,
Jeff
by the dice I meant that one had decided to "take the chance" and buy.....
had mine on front se out since first tested and there´s no way back....ha ha
 
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Just a quick update on our Studer A810/A12/A820 NextGen Repro solution:

(1) Both 3 speed (AES,CCIR 15/7.5, and NAB 15/7.5) and 4 speed machines (adds 3 3/4 ips EQ) will be supported with proper decoding of all EQs for SW releases as follows:
A810: SW up to 25/86, SW up to 01/88, and SW 46/90, 25/91
A820: jumper change for proper 3 3/4 EQ decode (Hex 85)

In simple terms this means our cards will support all EQs for each of the available speeds on all prior and current software releases for these models, just as the deck selects these today, and without need to open the recorder/access the Repro card/ card cage to select EQ.

Our solution for getting the new "Front Panel" balanced and unbuffered single-ended outputs out of the chassis makes use of the existing slots nearest the basis board in the card cage, which are large enough (10mm wide) to accept a "0B" 4-pin connector (Lemo or others) and is illustrated in the following images; the PCB connector will be located on the board to faclitate routing of he cable into/outof these slots.

Insertion and/or removal of the card is fairly easy:

Insertion: thread the "0B" cable conector and breakout cable (whether terminated in XLR or phono) through the slot nearest the component side of the Repro Card, then grab it, extend the cable, and insert into the mating connector on the PCB, then insert the entire card assembly (with mated connector) into the card guides and into the card cage, pulling the excess cable out of the slot.

Removal is similarly easy by feeding the cable into the cage as you remove the card, then remove the cable connector from the PCB mating connector.

The VU meter assembly (or A820 front door) can then be closed fully.

If desired, the bottom "decorative" cover (which is easily removed) can be slotted or drilled to allow the the cables with teh 0B connector to exit at the bottom or back of the cover for a completely finiched look.



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The complete A810/A820 includes a new headblock preamp identical in circuitry to that used in our A80 repro cards (discrete semiconductor, DC coupled Class A) , but miniaturized hybrid surface mount /thru hole, and the New Repro Card also with identical circuitry (but more EQ choices) as used on our A80 NetGen repro card.

Replacing the stock Studer headblock preamp and Repro cards on the Studer A810/812/820 with essentially our purist NextGen A80 repro cards are expected to make an astounding improvement in technical and sonic performance - even greater than the improvement acheived on the A80 - for technical reasons outlined by me in previous posts.

More updates to come; we hope to start production in the Fall this year; but this is a big project for us, and we would very much like to gauge interst. Final pricing has not yet been set, but we are targetting $4K - $4.5K for the complete (headblock preamp and card set) electronics. Those of you handy with a soldering iron and capable of removal and installation of the new headblock preamp can do so, otherwise we hope to set up a procedure to receive headblocks for installation/test and return.

Please ask any questions or concerns - I am looking for feedback on all this.

Jeff
 

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A quick update on our NextGen A80(RC) Record card: Design is finalized and we expect to have first product this Fall.

This is our all-out assalt on the magneic tape record process:

Just two of our discrete, DC coupled, Class A amplifier stages SE input to Record Head (same as used on our NextGen A80 Repro Card);

Apart from four precision ultra-low dialectirc absorption polypropylene caps in the signal path (one for the Group delay equalizer, one for EQ treble adjustment, one for the LS wavelength model, and one for the Bias Trap) the Record Card is all DC coupled from input to Record Head; we have even dispensed with the output series record safety relay (all Studers) which has always been problematic to sound (distortion) because of the very low signal levels involved near the noise floor - whether a reed relay (a magnetic signal conductor) or precious metal contact relay.

We have instead employed a shunt relay for record protection, along with shunt EQ stage input for complete safety; this is NOT the first time an output shunt relay has been used (Ampex ATR employed such a feature) BUT it is the first time (as far as we can tell) a shunt has been used ALONG with NO (ELECTROLYTIC) DC blocking capacitor at the output driving the record head (the ampex ATR uses a 330uF 6v tantalum cap - ugh! The stock A80 also uses a tantalum DC blocking cap along with series reed relay). Our precision low noise DC servo is active during the protective shunts and coasts right through the switch from REC prohibited to REC enabled with less than 0.1mv change in DC level at the Record Head input when the protective shunts are dropped (equivilent to 5uA) for no record clicks or thumps, and less than 0.2mV DC offset overall.

So: Plug and Play for the Studer A80 Master Recorder: Just two active amplifier stages, a Group Delay equalizer sporting 9us max P-P group delay variation from 1 Khz - 20 Khz, a 2-stage B-H linearizer for extended low-distortion dynamic range, easy setup for your chosen tape and EQ at each low and high speeds, selectable Bridge bypass (VU meters still indicate record levels properly), and purist single-ended front panel input; exceptionally low noise and distortion using our discrete, DC coupled, Class A amplifier stages, along with unmatched time-domain response virtually free from capacitor memory effects/time smear.

In conjunction with our NextGen A80 Repro Cards, this is going to change what people think is possible with magnetic tape.
Stay tuned...

Regards,
Jeff
 

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A quick update on our NextGen A80(RC) Record card: Design is finalized and we expect to have first product this Fall.

This is our all-out assalt on the magneic tape record process:

Just two of our discrete, DC coupled, Class A amplifier stages SE input to Record Head (same as used on our NextGen A80 Repro Card);

Apart from four precision ultra-low dialectirc absorption polypropylene caps in the signal path (one for the Group delay equalizer, one for EQ treble adjustment, one for the LS wavelength model, and one for the Bias Trap) the Record Card is all DC coupled from input to Record Head; we have even dispensed with the output series record safety relay (all Studers) which has always been problematic to sound (distortion) because of the very low signal levels involved near the noise floor - whether a reed relay (a magnetic signal conductor) or precious metal contact relay.

We have instead employed a shunt relay for record protection, along with shunt EQ stage input for complete safety; this is NOT the first time an output shunt relay has been used (Ampex ATR employed such a feature) BUT it is the first time (as far as we can tell) a shunt has been used ALONG with NO (ELECTROLYTIC) DC blocking capacitor at the output driving the record head (the ampex ATR uses a 330uF 6v tantalum cap - ugh! The stock A80 also uses a tantalum DC blocking cap along with series reed relay). Our precision low noise DC servo is active during the protective shunts and coasts right through the switch from REC prohibited to REC enabled with less than 0.1mv change in DC level at the Record Head input when the protective shunts are dropped (equivilent to 5uA) for no record clicks or thumps, and less than 0.2mV DC offset overall.

So: Plug and Play for the Studer A80 Master Recorder: Just two active amplifier stages, a Group Delay equalizer sporting 9us max P-P group delay variation from 1 Khz - 20 Khz, a 2-stage B-H linearizer for extended low-distortion dynamic range, easy setup for your chosen tape and EQ at each low and high speeds, selectable Bridge bypass (VU meters still indicate record levels properly), and purist single-ended front panel input; exceptionally low noise and distortion using our discrete, DC coupled, Class A amplifier stages, along with unmatched time-domain response virtually free from capacitor memory effects/time smear.

In conjunction with our NextGen A80 Repro Cards, this is going to change what people think is possible with magnetic tape.
Stay tuned...

Regards,
Jeff
Jeff, we've talked about it, but I think it's worth mentioning that in the product backlog is development of NextGen repro cards for the A80VU mkII-IV as those machines get a bad rap for their playback electronics compared to the A80R/RC.
 

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Jeff, we've talked about it, but I think it's worth mentioning that in the product backlog is development of NextGen repro cards for the A80VU mkII-IV as those machines get a bad rap for their playback electronics compared to the A80R/RC.
Right now, we are finishing up our new NextGen A80 RC record card, which I expect to release by summer end. As you can read about in teh above postings, this card breaks new ground in numerous areas (as does our NextGen A80 RC Repro card) , and I expect will re-define what is possible from analog tape when combined with top-notch repro electronics and transport: unexcelled linearity, time domain response, and dynamic range.

I would like to include nominal settings of the B-H linearizer trimpots (2 each for Hight Speed and Low speed per channel) in our data, so I would like to query those who do frequent master recording and real-time dubs what tape types and nominal fluxivity levels they are using for (1) mastering, and (2) commercial copies; for mastering a Standard Fluxivity of about 500nW/m (or higher) is very appropriate for this Card along with our NextGen repro card at 15ips, but this level may perhaps be too hot for commercial copies played on many non-professional machines to avoid clipping peaks.

As to tapes, I expect the usual suspects: SM911, SM468, but is anyone using LPR35 for commercial dubs?

Next up will be our Studer A810/812/820 repro board set (headblock preamp and repro card).


Regards,
jeff
 

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I could finally hear my NextGen repro cards.
Wow! The name is perfect, it's not an incremental improvement, it's a substantial improvement, they're in another league!
Looking forward to the record cards!
Congratulations Jeff and Charles!
 

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First pics of our new NextGen A80R/C Record Card - less front panel and mini XLR panel socket for Single-ended input. For now we are doing most testing from the stock Studer XLR record inputs in the machine, with- and without jumper-selectable Bridge bypass.


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All Class A discrete stages, DC coupled from FP single-ended inputs to Record Head;
So far, testing has exceed our already high expectations:

1) 22uV (that's 22 microvolts) residual DC (35 deg C) at the direct coupled Record Head - for 1uA DC residual Record head current - less than the DC leakage current for all but the best PP film caps, and 1000x or more better than the alumninum- or tantalum- electrolytic used to couple AC signals to the record head in every other recorder;
2) near ideal Time Domain response with included group Delay Equalizer;
3) 2-stage B-H linearizer for extended low distortion dynamic range;
4) ultra low noise.

Stay tuned for detailed NextGen A80 record/replay THD/IMD and time domain measured performance with several common tapes (SM911/900 and ATR Master) and fluxivity levels (250/355/500nWb/m) using both our new Record card and our current Repro card. The data will speak for itself as to just how big a leap these cards offer in Record/Replay performance.

It has been quite a struggle dealing with the multiple supply chain disruptions and parts availability issues, but we expect to publish full Record Card specs very shortly, and start taking orders in the next few weeks, with first customer shipments planned for early September.

Jeff
 

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