Ron's Speaker, Turntable, Power and Room Treatment Upgrades
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Steve williams
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Thank you, Steve. I am very excited!
No, Flemming never breaks down! It took some time but we were able to figure something out via an importer that does not represent Gryphon, but as a special arrangement. To Flemming's credit, he was careful to make sure there would be some kind of support for me in the USA.
Once I heard myself that, in general, long ribbon drivers (Analysis Audio, Genesis, Pendragon) seem to have a bit more corporeal body and weight than the MartinLogan electrostatic panels, at the cost of just a smidgen in reduced transparency (to my ears), I was happy to make that trade. As much as I like the Neolith, at the state-of-the-art level, I think the low frequencies should not come only from drivers in the bottom of a cabinet. I like the D'Appolito design (e.g., EA MM7, Rockport Arrakis, VSA Ultra 11).
I think the Pendragon woofer towers are absolutely amazing: a vertical array of eight 8" woofers driven by a purpose-built, Gryphon Class AB, 1,000 watt (continuous) amplifier.
No, Flemming never breaks down! It took some time but we were able to figure something out via an importer that does not represent Gryphon, but as a special arrangement. To Flemming's credit, he was careful to make sure there would be some kind of support for me in the USA.
Once I heard myself that, in general, long ribbon drivers (Analysis Audio, Genesis, Pendragon) seem to have a bit more corporeal body and weight than the MartinLogan electrostatic panels, at the cost of just a smidgen in reduced transparency (to my ears), I was happy to make that trade. As much as I like the Neolith, at the state-of-the-art level, I think the low frequencies should not come only from drivers in the bottom of a cabinet. I like the D'Appolito design (e.g., EA MM7, Rockport Arrakis, VSA Ultra 11).
I think the Pendragon woofer towers are absolutely amazing: a vertical array of eight 8" woofers driven by a purpose-built, Gryphon Class AB, 1,000 watt (continuous) amplifier.
Steve williams
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The standard black acrylic. Flemming says the choice of side panel material has no bearing on the sound.
The Io does not have dual outputs, so I have to decide whether to feed the line level signal to the Pendragon bass towers and use the circuit built into the bass towers to feed the signal to the ribbon panels, or figure out some "Y" adapter so both the bass towers and the ribbons panels can get the signal directly from the Io.
The Io does not have dual outputs, so I have to decide whether to feed the line level signal to the Pendragon bass towers and use the circuit built into the bass towers to feed the signal to the ribbon panels, or figure out some "Y" adapter so both the bass towers and the ribbons panels can get the signal directly from the Io.
The four air motion tweeters operate from 18 kHz to 40 kHz.
Flemming learned from his friend and Gryphon loudspeaker design collaborator, Steen Dueland, to make crossovers as simple as possible and to keep crossover networks in constant phase. Dueland believed that "all drivers must be in phase at all times and at all frequencies."
The Pendragon expresses these principles by having a relatively simple crossover from the ribbon driver to the woofer tower; by dispensing with the need for phase adjustment in the crossover electronics; and by not having any crossover between the midrange ribbon and the tweeters (the ribbon is allowed simply to roll off naturally).
Flemming learned from his friend and Gryphon loudspeaker design collaborator, Steen Dueland, to make crossovers as simple as possible and to keep crossover networks in constant phase. Dueland believed that "all drivers must be in phase at all times and at all frequencies."
The Pendragon expresses these principles by having a relatively simple crossover from the ribbon driver to the woofer tower; by dispensing with the need for phase adjustment in the crossover electronics; and by not having any crossover between the midrange ribbon and the tweeters (the ribbon is allowed simply to roll off naturally).
Congrats Ron on your decision. may they be worthy of the efforts you made to come to that decision.
Great news Ron. Congratulations. Nice cable choice. How will you go about deciding between the Basis and MasterBuilt cables? Will you wait until everything is in place and they audition each in the system or try to hear and possibly compare them before then?
And have you decided on a cartridge to go along with the Basis table and arm?
And have you decided on a cartridge to go along with the Basis table and arm?
Congratulations Ron, and enjoy in great health! I am bit surprised that you found the Pendragon still not as resolving as your Logans, even if by a smidgen.
Thank you Kedar, Mike, Al, Peter and ack! Hopefully someday each of you will visit!
Mike -- I sure hope they will be worthy of the search effort!
Peter -- I do not know how I am going to decide about the cables. I probably first will try to wire the system with my existing cables.
The final cartridge contenders are the Koetsu Coralstone, the Air Tight Opus and A.J. probably will suggest strongly the My Sonic Lab Signature Platinum. I have to check the effective mass of the Basis Audio Superarm 9 to see if it will work well with the Koetsu. If I had to choose today I would get the Coralstone.
Mike -- I sure hope they will be worthy of the search effort!
Peter -- I do not know how I am going to decide about the cables. I probably first will try to wire the system with my existing cables.
The final cartridge contenders are the Koetsu Coralstone, the Air Tight Opus and A.J. probably will suggest strongly the My Sonic Lab Signature Platinum. I have to check the effective mass of the Basis Audio Superarm 9 to see if it will work well with the Koetsu. If I had to choose today I would get the Coralstone.
Perhaps the Logans were not an honest resolving nature. The transformer interface does change things a bit.
Ron, you won't have the house ready by the time your goods start rolling in, or will you? Either way you're going to be guilty of upstaging T.H.E. Show by next year.
Ron, you won't have the house ready by the time your goods start rolling in, or will you? Either way you're going to be guilty of upstaging T.H.E. Show by next year.
I think the ML panels are the most resolving speakers I have ever heard.
The house will not be ready before the equipment arrives.
The house will not be ready before the equipment arrives.
Ah Excellent choice Ron-- Congrats indeed
I've met Flemming he is one of the true Gentlemen of the Industry--
My service experience with the Gryphon Electronics I've owned was exemplary also dealing direct--have no fears you will be treated like a King should the need arise!
We expressed a desire to go an catch a Black Marlin at one stage--Flemming is big Game fisherman!--but world's never aligned on that unfortunately
Good Listening
BruceD
I've met Flemming he is one of the true Gentlemen of the Industry--
My service experience with the Gryphon Electronics I've owned was exemplary also dealing direct--have no fears you will be treated like a King should the need arise!
We expressed a desire to go an catch a Black Marlin at one stage--Flemming is big Game fisherman!--but world's never aligned on that unfortunately
Good Listening
BruceD
Hi
I like the choice of speakers.
A plea ...Give Digital a chance. Audition with the least amount of prejudice you can muster. Digital has arrived. If one can accept that certain things can be different but equally good, equally performant then that is what you will find with digital. It is different and in its difference IMO, IME, FWIW and all the other qualifiers and modifiers, it does certain things better than analogue, some of these surprisingly is in Classical Music. Big Symphonic works find themselves better reproduced to my ears in digital than in analogue. Having both would allow you to enjoy more music.
At the level you are transporting your system ( never thought the Neolith belong "there" TBH) you ought it to yourself to listen to some serious digital. Ask around here, there are converts here on this board... some would surprise you and very much so. One of the thing about the better digital is their uncanny ability to morph into complete transparency to the source recordings if properly mastered. One of the best example of such are the Bob Fine recorded and Wilma Cozart Fine produced Mercury Living Presence works. To my ears the Mercury CD surpass the Vinyls ( I have both). I am not the only one to think so.
As for the most resolving speakers being the ML panels .. I beg to differ...
I like the choice of speakers.
A plea
...Give Digital a chance. Audition with the least amount of prejudice you can muster. Digital has arrived. If one can accept that certain things can be different but equally good, equally performant then that is what you will find with digital. It is different and in its difference IMO, IME, FWIW and all the other qualifiers and modifiers, it does certain things better than analogue, some of these surprisingly is in Classical Music. Big Symphonic works find themselves better reproduced to my ears in digital than in analogue. Having both would allow you to enjoy more music.At the level you are transporting your system ( never thought the Neolith belong "there" TBH) you ought it to yourself to listen to some serious digital. Ask around here, there are converts here on this board... some would surprise you and very much so
. One of the thing about the better digital is their uncanny ability to morph into complete transparency to the source recordings if properly mastered. One of the best example of such are the Bob Fine recorded and Wilma Cozart Fine produced Mercury Living Presence works. To my ears the Mercury CD surpass the Vinyls ( I have both). I am not the only one to think so. As for the most resolving speakers being the ML panels .. I beg to differ...
Hi
I like the choice of speakers.
A plea
At the level you are transporting your system ( never thought the Neolith belong "there" TBH) you ought it to yourself to listen to some serious digital. Ask around here, there are converts here on this board... some would surprise you and very much so
As for the most resolving speakers being the ML panels .. I beg to differ...
Frantz, your comments about the Neolith and ML panels suggest that your taste is very different from Ron's. Why try to convert him away from his preference for analogue to your preference for digital?
I believe Ron has experienced a common phenomenon, wherein someone becomes intimately familiar with the sound of their system. For instance, Steve or Mike Lavigne know the sound of their systems so well that they can immediately perceive very small changes, while occasional visitors would usually be unable to hear those differences. Ron became familiar with his MLs, which are highly-resolving speakers, and developed that intimate hearing relationship with their presentation. I don't believe that this can happen in relatively brief auditions.
Given the superb Gryphons and some time in his own space, it's quite oossible that Ron will reach a point where he "hears into" his system even further than before.
My two cents' on the subject. I wish Ron great enjoyment!
Lee
Given the superb Gryphons and some time in his own space, it's quite oossible that Ron will reach a point where he "hears into" his system even further than before.
My two cents' on the subject. I wish Ron great enjoyment!
Lee
Not converting Peter, discussing. That is what I think a forum is for: Exchanging ideas and sometimes exploring. Ron came here exposed his ideas and got answers that allowed him to form a view. I exposed mine.
As an aside you've heard some interesting digital too .. What do you think? Not bad eh?
Actually surprisingly good ? eh? Now just one more OT question: Are the ML panels the most resolving speakers you've heard?
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