I think MBL saw the efficient-speakers-with-SETs wave coming based on andromeda's posts and decided to fold.
Older t&a amps can sound a bit dry high dampingfactor over 1000.But how do they actually sound ? Krell made a lot of very powerful amps, only a few of them where listenable long term.
Having made much the same post, I'm reminded of the reason why Jelco shut up shop:The one thing about these threads on ARC, Dartzeel and now MBL is this is just speculation and personal feelings about an industry sans any realistic information or facts.
Companies fail for various reason but the most common is they run out of operating capital which can be caused for a myriad of reasons.
I’ve read this and sadly I haven’t seen a single fact, financial statement or any thing that has any real
Meaning.
I have no idea what happened or whether this company will survive we will all find out. I don’t want to see any company fail but these discussions truly don’t accomplish anything.
The one thing about these threads on ARC, Dartzeel and now MBL is this is just speculation and personal feelings about an industry sans any realistic information or facts.
Companies fail for various reason but the most common is they run out of operating capital which can be caused for a myriad of reasons.
I’ve read this and sadly I haven’t seen a single fact, financial statement or any thing that has any real meaning.
I have no idea what happened or whether this company will survive we will all find out. I don’t want to see any company fail but these discussions truly don’t accomplish anything.
That explains a lot about your perspective.Get back to basics please .
I use music mostly for background music
The latter might affectionately be called “the money pit,” although no money has been thrown into that system since last summer …
The one thing about these threads on ARC, Dartzeel and now MBL is this is just speculation and personal feelings about an industry sans any realistic information or facts.
Companies fail for various reason but the most common is they run out of operating capital which can be caused for a myriad of reasons.
I’ve read this and sadly I haven’t seen a single fact, financial statement or any thing that has any real
Meaning.
I have no idea what happened or whether this company will survive we will all find out. I don’t want to see any company fail but these discussions truly don’t accomplish anything.
It's not that bad. The impedance curve never drops below 3.5 ohms on the MBL 101E. There are speakers here that are praised above all else but are significantly worse. A Horch 3.0s power amp (400watt at 2 ohms) drives easily the MBL . And that's at a volume comparable to an orchestra.So you re making progress.
My system can do it all , it just doesnt need a 100 K monster amp to sound good , 10 -20 watts is fine .
When you have a 81 db eff / difficult imp curve like MBL or any other transducer for that matter costs go up very quickly and dynamics go down .
Thats why you see those big MBL s , DAG relentless , GRYPHON Apex etc on the market to give those transducers a kick in the butt and get them moving
They works w
It's not that bad. The impedance curve never drops below 3.5 ohms on the MBL 101E. There are speakers here that are praised above all else but are significantly worse. A Horch 3.0s power amp (400watt at 2 ohms) drives easily the MBL . And that's at a volume comparable to an orchestra.
I heard often this combination years ago.View attachment 153158
Yes.this amps looks so small but its pitbull on steriodsYes you re right .
I heard the latest version last year at the brussels show incl the new DAC and it sounded nice
actually they ran out of money that is the reason. why is only how they got to the point that they had to file. It may be the product, it could be the payroll and overhead, it could be a myriad of things which we don't know. what we do know is they can't pay their bills ergo they ran out of money.A company running out of capital isn't the reason it failed.
Why the company ran out of capital is why it failed.
Selling items that are, even in very the niche market you're selling in, EXTREMELY highly priced....is a very plausible reason for failure, when the company exists solely to sell those high priced items.
(...) When you have a 81 db eff / difficult imp curve like MBL or any other transducer for that matter costs go up very quickly and dynamics go down .
(...)
Thats why you see those big MBL s , DAG relentless , GRYPHON Apex etc on the market to give those transducers a kick in the butt and get them moving
If someone were to bring to me the reason for a company being in financial trouble, was that they ran out of money......I wouldn't need to ask this person a second question.actually they ran out of money that is the reason. why is only how they got to the point that they had to file. It may be the product, it could be the payroll and overhead, it could be a myriad of things which we don't know. what we do know is they can't pay their bills ergo they ran out of money.
I have to admit that I prefer the older devices in terms of design and sound. For example, the 311 is a good speaker for smaller rooms, with a large soundstage and natural sound.fablous workmanship.Yes you re right .
I heard the latest version last year at the brussels show incl the new DAC and it sounded nice
If the UK companies are any indication the answer is probably. We see their lagging financial reporting on Companies House.I am surprised about MBL.
Based on this development I suspect the answer to your question is "yes."
I agree, Elliot. People rubberneck for a reason, and a failing specialty audio company is no different.The one thing about these threads on ARC, Dartzeel and now MBL is this is just speculation and personal feelings about an industry sans any realistic information or facts.
Companies fail for various reason but the most common is they run out of operating capital which can be caused for a myriad of reasons.
I’ve read this and sadly I haven’t seen a single fact, financial statement or any thing that has any real
Meaning.
I have no idea what happened or whether this company will survive we will all find out. I don’t want to see any company fail but these discussions truly don’t accomplish anything.
If Karan has low manufacturing cost it s never been reflective in the price of their equipment, quite the contrary...
Not the point I was trying to make, but you are correct, Sir.I agree, Elliot. People rubberneck for a reason, and a failing specialty audio company is no different.
With that said, smaller specialty audio companies, many of which offer great products (something you and I can relate to), do address the legitimate concerns many WBF Members continue to express about the high cost of today's top components. What makes a bespoke DAC, selling perhaps a few hundred pieces per year, cost 100 times or more the price of a product selling tens of thousands, is simple - the economy of scale.
The same principle applies to cars, watches, and many other luxury goods. I would argue that there are numerous bargains in high-end audio today, and that a thread titled 'The True Bargains in the High-End Today' would be helpful to many and a lot more fun to discuss and debate.
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