SAT XD-1 Turntable Debut at The Audio Salon
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Are you stating that Michael Fremer and Jason Heilbrunn lack any semblance of intellectual honesty?
Both these gentlemen stated in writing that the AFO waa the best sounding turntable that they ever heard. This after an afternoon session at the Audion Salon.
But they are incapable of comparing the SAT and AFO under the same conditions?
Couple pics of the SAT Turntable.
Personally, she is not my style...design wise. And I have zero clue how she sounds and how many dinero they want for it.
To me, she looks like a lunear tripod to collect rocks on the moon.
Some designs float our mojo, others rock our stereo, some land on planets of the galaxy and sat there like Mars modules collecting data.
Maybe she sounds marvelous, looks won't take that away from her, forever after.
What price of admission roughly, just to compare with others of similar financial caliber, and design?
* The vertical grey box @ right doesn't match with it.
Personally, she is not my style...design wise. And I have zero clue how she sounds and how many dinero they want for it.
To me, she looks like a lunear tripod to collect rocks on the moon.
Some designs float our mojo, others rock our stereo, some land on planets of the galaxy and sat there like Mars modules collecting data.
Maybe she sounds marvelous, looks won't take that away from her, forever after.
What price of admission roughly, just to compare with others of similar financial caliber, and design?
* The vertical grey box @ right doesn't match with it.
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Not even Sherlock Holmes himself could find in my post any reference to Michael Fremer or Jason (sic) Heilbrunn. I have no idea what you are referring to. So, no, obviously and of course I am not stating any such thing.
I do not know Jacob myself, but I know that he has a sterling reputation and I have friends who hold Jacob in high regard. I know myself that Michael is extremely intellectually honest.
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I do not consider two different turntables with different tonearms and different vinyl records heard weeks apart to be the "same conditions" or to qualify as a direct and valid comparison.
I, too, wrote that it was one of the best systems, if not the best system, I have ever heard in my life. I personally attributed most of the sonic amazement I experienced to the Wilson Audio Master Chronosonic and Subsonic speaker system.
As a general fan of planar speakers, and as someone who has never been a huge fan of Wilson speakers (except for Alexx with tube amplifiers, and Steve's system with Lamm), I still don't understand how that Wilson Chronosonic and Subsonic speaker system is as sonically transformative to my ears as it is. I thought it was absolutely amazing.
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It is a reflection of the carbon fiber weave to light at certain angle. The original model has very little or none of that.Here she is again. For some peculiar reason the focus fell on the arm finish, apparently someone forgot to put their white gloves on
Kind regards,
Tang
Why will it be different records? Isn't it Fremer demonstrating this one as well, so he will get to choose his records like he did with the AF0?
And the same SAT tonearm and the same Lyra Atlas cartridge.
It will be interesting if they dare compare as according to Ron
Btw Ked, how do you compare all the different systems you have heard and maintain your intellectual honesty?
As Ked mentioned, Same DJ, Fremer. Same speakers, same amps, same tonearm and same cartridge.
Seems the only difference is the turntable.
You should already know this as you wrote about the AF0 under your review forum.
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And the same SAT tonearm and the same Lyra Atlas cartridge.
It will be interesting if they dare compare as according to Ron
Btw Ked, how do you compare all the different systems you have heard and maintain your intellectual honesty?
You compare in same system. Then change stuff around till you get consistency. Then repeat in another system. Extract consistent attributes of the component. This is usually toughest to do with analog related stuff, but Fremer is quite good at this
Ok, it seems that only WBF members who post in WBF can be guilty of not maintaining any semblance of intellectual honesty about audio ...
I am not Dr Watson and I could easily understand XV-1 point.IMHO the whole story about " intellectual honesty" in this hobby is absurd. The factors that affect preferences and biases are so hidden and diverse that no one can be the judge of others "intellectual honesty". Surely YMMV.
Generally a guy like Fremer playing with SAT arm and Lyra which is his stock, with his own recordings, will get quickly to the bottom of if one of these tables has any shortcomings. Only if they are both excellent and at a similar level will he need to spend more time with both in the same system swapping around.
Edit: don't know if he used SAT and Lyra on AF0, if not, he will at least know how it SAT DD compares to technics and continuum.
Edit: don't know if he used SAT and Lyra on AF0, if not, he will at least know how it SAT DD compares to technics and continuum.
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Ked. Yes he did. That is why I mentioned it and why it will be quite easy for Fremer to have a handle of both tables. Same with JH.
https://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/techdas-air-force-zero-turntable-preview/
This million $ system is so much better than that million $ system. "And their was much rejoicing...yay"
What if "one of the million dollar system I would not take home for free. Too much space for so much noise"
It may or may not be different records. I doubt Michael wrote down a list of exactly what he played weeks ago.
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