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over-the-top grounding performance. compelling in every way.
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over-the-top grounding performance. compelling in every way.
Agree. I've also been a fan of Tripoint and Entreq, am blessed to own both, and have been for many years now.
Is there any fundamental difference between the Tripoint and Entreq? They look like different implementations of the same concept.
there is one objective difference between the 2 approaches. the Tripoint is attached to the power grid grounding through a duplex outlet plug. the hot plugs are dummy, only the ground is connected.
the Entreq floats and is the end point. you can add more Entreq boxes for a greater total effect, but they are not connected to the power grid ground.
as far as the general approach of the two products; Tripoint is designed to be a chassis ground, Entreq is designed to be a signal path ground. but both claim they do the other too. and both have products which get involved with power conditioning and various forms of resonance and EMI/RFI shielding.
looking at pictures inside the Tripoint, and the build quality of the Tripoint, no doubt it is a much higher level and more serious product (and 4x to 5x as expensive)....and likely more based on real science. the Entreq is a bit more 'out there'.
and I own both and like what both do. happy with what I have used them for......they are part of the removal of the evidence of the reproduction chain from the musical message. they bring me closer to the music.
Dan, thank you for the kind words, it is always nice to hear you are appreciated. I do what I do because I enjoy it. if you get up to the Seattle area you are welcome to come by for a visit.
And Ked I am much more than a Rocker, that's just what you got that night.
Most of my vinyl is currently in storage and unavailable. I like all forms of music, getting into choral through suggestions here.
The only really struggle is Opera.
And I completely forgot to ask Mike to play his choral recommendation he made as it was on my mind all the way over there.
But my main gig is Rock/Prog/Blues/Jazz.
I love classical, but struggle with it in a none live environment.
Ok I'm a a rocker!
Back to your regular scheduled programming!
Most of my vinyl is currently in storage and unavailable. I like all forms of music, getting into choral through suggestions here.
The only really struggle is Opera.
And I completely forgot to ask Mike to play his choral recommendation he made as it was on my mind all the way over there.
But my main gig is Rock/Prog/Blues/Jazz.
I love classical, but struggle with it in a none live environment.
Ok I'm a a rocker!
Back to your regular scheduled programming!
Great read, sounds like you had a great time Bonzo.
Mike - wrt your comment above, I think that subs placed strategically around the room and stacked subs like you have both have + and -. Subwoofer mfr.s have been touting each config for years even though most don't recommend stacking. The stackers include Rel and M&K, most other do not recommend it. One of the benefits of strategic placement (aka Geddes) has shown to reduce peaks and "smooth" out bass. One could argue that stacked subs aligned to the main speakers could exacerbate peaks and nulls in a room. You may not have this issue due to your room size/ratio but most likely would. It would be interesting to see/hear the difference if you took 1/2 your sub columns and set them about in a Geddes recommended (or proven measured) location (side wall 1/3 way up and subs diagonal is common).
Or if you added several subs in a Geddes config if you'd get any benefit. My gut says you're probably at the point of diminishing returns since you've said the bass is already exemplary and effortless but it would be interesting.
thanks sbo6.
it is nice to have those options to consider going forward. my ears (and feedback from others) tell me I don't need to bother trying it.
my guess is that there would end up being at best trade-offs between cohesive wave launch advantages to having sub drivers on the same plane as the other drivers, and room smoothing benefits of different locations. the result would be very contextual.....and in my case I'd say.....as you infer....the wave launch likely would win since my room seems reasonably flat at this point.
I would have to disagree here. Have heard a few top shelf systems with Entreq and while I can't say which one is better they effects I have heard from both a more than noticeable
I am guessing the usual build quality exudes more science in the Tripoint than the Entreq
Joshua,
possibly I'm not fully understanding what you are saying.
you say you disagree with what I said, and then you basically said what I said.
I'm reading that you are saying that "both products have effects that are more than noticeable". and that " in build quality more science in the Tripoint"...both of which I essentially said too.
I did say that the Tripoint was more expensive and had a greater apparent sonic effect by it's cost factor difference. is this where you disagree? or is there something else?
do you believe that regardless of the price difference, that Entreq = Tripoint in terms of degree of effect?
please be more specific as to what you don't agree with. and maybe describe a system context where this plays out.
Hi Mike ....to get the full Entreq effect you have to consider it as a trio . Tellus/Olympus + Atlantis Tellus + Cleanus . The Atlantis hooks back to the Silever Tellus / Olympus while the Cleanus plugs into the power grid and hooks back to the Tellus/Olympus . So the Entreq system taken as a whole , does not float as an end point
I am not sure as to the distinction between the terms , "quasi".... signal and chassis ground . These are I think,terms that have come about with no rationale . It was and still is that the Tripoint cables are spade only and thus attached to a suitable chassis screw, this seems to be how the term evolved . As you state they both work equally well in either domain , connected either to chassis points or to plug compatible RCA/XLR connections . So one does not major in either ground domain .
They however work differently in terms of sonics , here I mean the Entreq trio with Atlantis ground cables vs the Tripoint Signature with standard cables . I am sure that the higher end Tripoint cables will , push it a significant deal further . So too with the Entreq , only after upgrading from the Apollo to the Atlantis ground cables , does one have to think about further add on boxes . I think this has been experienced by yourself and documented by LL21 , due course his comparing the two in house .
The Tripoint majors on clarity/transparency , speed or launch of note , dynamic verve and micro dynamic shadings . The Entreq in terms of bringing about more tonal density and a better organic flow , with a more macro insistent slant to proceedings . Given the above , they work well and rather effectively in tandem . Yes , the box count gets outta hand but I'll take the hit for the goodness it brings me .
Cheers & Happy Listening .
Correct. The build quality no doubt is much more aesthetically pleasing as the Entreq, but often times this superimposes a sense of superior product and/or technology. Earlier this year I had the chance to understand the technology behind the Tripoint solution from Miguel. There is a substantial amount of thought to this. Much more than people give grounding products credit for, but not so much that I find to exceed that of the Entreq level of product.
Yes I do. I have not had the luxury of doing a side-by-side A/B testing of these two products, but having heard awesome systems using both with incredibly black backgrounds I can easliy testify that both perform on the same top level.
I've got them side by side. and I'm using the Silver Tellus with the Atlantis cables on RCA's of my preamp.....and the Thor Master Reference cable to the preamp chassis from the Tripoint Signature.
and it's game, set, match for the Tripoint. not close in any way.
the Tripoint is 5x as expensive and that is about the delta of difference of effect.
which is not a knock on the Entreq. just what it does is more subtle. the Tripoint is a Mike Tyson poke in the nose. all the other plans get set aside and you go whoa. we are not in Kansas anymore Toto.
i'll be the first to say that grounding degrees of effect can be much affected by relative degrees of system noise. and my system is extremely quiet. 10kva Equi=tech whole system isolation transformer, room within a room in a barn away from the main house, in the middle of 5 acres, in the mountains away from the city. super low noise darTZeel solid state electronics, battery powered, Herzan active isolation resonance control.
I compared entreq silver to an old Tripoints Signature . 1st round TKO & Tripoints is way ahead of the game
That is an interesting finding. I would not expect such a dramatic difference and one that scales with the price tag to boot. The fact that you are so off the grid makes this finding even more curious.
Thank you for that information. I am going to have to advise some friends of this
Many thanks Jazz, you are an absolute king of clarity. Just love your writing man, so easy to get an appreciation of both Entreq and Tripoint in what you seemingly effortlessly penned above. In fact, I'd add hats off to any and all who write in this topic. This is definitely at the hardest, pointiest end of subjective evaluation that you guys are working in here.
I too have compared Entreq Silver Tellus directly in our home for a few weeks vs the Tripoint Thor SE...price points being very different as Mike L kindly points out. I kept the Tripoint and returned the Entreq even though (in an ideal situation) i would have kept both! They are both fantastic, but i could keep only one, and went with Tripoint Thor. Though I feel the Silver Tellus (with Atlantic cable) made an incredibly valiant effort in rhythmic drive which i did not feel was a goal of the Tripoint, the Entreq could not compete note for note with the Tripoint on all out clarity of notes, delineation and decay. it vastly improved my system vs having NEITHER in, but in comparison with the Tripoint, i found the Entreq just this side of fuzzy in comparison using choral words to compare.
So for me Tripoint won clearly...and yes, the retail prices are very different too...i have not compared with Olympus.
the one area where i remain impressed was the entreq's ability to really grip rhythmic drive...deep house syncopated beats was where the Entreq + Atlantis cable distinguished itself even relative to the mighty Tripoint (plus regular thin Tripoint cables).
So for me Tripoint won clearly...and yes, the retail prices are very different too...i have not compared with Olympus.
the one area where i remain impressed was the entreq's ability to really grip rhythmic drive...deep house syncopated beats was where the Entreq + Atlantis cable distinguished itself even relative to the mighty Tripoint (plus regular thin Tripoint cables).
My pleasure Tao , glad it was of some help . Coming from somebody as erudite as you, I take that as a "solid" tick . Thank you ..
