Should a member be allowed to make a post which is AI generated or AI mixed without disclosing such use of AI as part of the post?

[thedudeabides]

Is Lew still around? I recall meeting him when I worked for a dealer many decades ago. Seems like his McCormack Audio thing didn't survive after he left C-J. So many interesting people in the industry back in the day

No. Lew and Bill sold to Jeff Fischel maybe 10 years ago. Major downsize. Called several years ago. At that time, five employees and Jeff doubled as service tech. Tried to get a $5 part for my remote. He wanted $175 so who knows how long they will be around. Can see my posts on CJ Forum.

 

[Ron Resnick]

Seems like the Monica thing has favorable reviews this past several months.

I like the idea that the Monica thing incorporates several AI detectors to yield a composite result. I personally would find this more authoritative and trustworthy than any particular single AI detector.

 

[Al M.]

Al has been an audiophile for a long time and never expressed any interest in moderation. He is extremely satisfied with his system.

Good one, and true.

 

[Al M.]

I like the idea that the Monica thing incorporates several AI detectors to yield a composite result. I personally would find this more authoritative and trustworthy than any particular single AI detector.

The composite of nonsense is still nonsense. Just sayin'.

Yet maybe it's a bit better, who knows?

 

[microstrip]

Your question is best answered with a simple AI query using Perplexity Pro. In other words, this is well understood electrical theory best addressed through a non biased search result.

The hypothesis that a silver wire in an air dielectric subjectively outperforms the same silver wire in a sealed PTFE (Teflon) dielectric can be explained by considering several mechanical and electromagnetic factors. These factors align with both theoretical principles and empirical observations from audiophiles. Below is an explanation framed in accessible terms for the average ultra-high-end audio enthusiast:

1. Dielectric Constant and Signal Propagation

• Air vs. PTFE: Air has a dielectric constant of approximately 1.00059, which is extremely close to a vacuum—the ideal environment for electromagnetic wave propagation. In contrast, PTFE has a dielectric constant of about 2.1. This difference means that air introduces far less interference with the electromagnetic field surrounding the conductor.

• Impact on Sound: A lower dielectric constant reduces energy storage and signal delay caused by the interaction between the conductor and its insulation. This allows the signal to propagate more faithfully, preserving subtle details in the music, which audiophiles often describe as “openness” or “naturalness” in sound.

2. Dielectric Absorption and Energy Storage

• PTFE’s Drawback: Solid dielectrics like PTFE can absorb and release small amounts of electrical energy as the signal passes through, a phenomenon known as dielectric absorption. This process can smear or distort the timing of high-frequency components, creating what some listeners perceive as a “sterile” or “compressed” sound.

• Air’s Advantage: Air does not store or release energy in this way, ensuring that the signal remains unaltered as it propagates along the conductor.

3. Electromagnetic Field Interaction

• Signal as an Electromagnetic Wave: Audio signals are primarily carried by the electromagnetic field around the conductor rather than by electron flow through it. The quality of this field is influenced by the surrounding material.

• PTFE’s Influence: PTFE, being a solid material, interacts more with the electromagnetic field than air does, potentially altering its characteristics. This interaction is minimal in air, allowing for cleaner and more accurate propagation of high-frequency details.

4. Oxidation of Silver

• Silver Oxide vs. Pure Silver: While silver oxidizes to form silver oxide (Ag2O) or silver sulfide (Ag2S), these compounds are still conductive—unlike copper oxide, which is highly resistive. Thus, even if oxidation occurs on a silver conductor in an air dielectric, it has minimal impact on signal propagation.

• PTFE Heat Effects: The process of applying PTFE insulation often involves heat, which can accelerate oxidation on the surface of the silver wire before it is sealed inside the dielectric. Once sealed, any further oxidation is prevented but at the cost of locking in an already altered surface layer.

5. Subjective Listening Experience

• Audiophiles often describe cables with air dielectrics as sounding more “open,” “dynamic,” and “natural.” This subjective perception aligns with the reduced interference and lower energy storage effects provided by air as a dielectric.

6. Practical Challenges

• While air dielectrics are theoretically superior, they are harder to implement because they leave conductors exposed to environmental factors like oxidation and mechanical instability. Manufacturers use PTFE because it provides durability and consistency over time, albeit at some cost to sonic performance.

Conclusion

The subjective superiority of silver wire in an air dielectric likely stems from its minimal interaction with the electromagnetic field around the conductor compared to PTFE’s higher dielectric constant and absorption characteristics. Air allows for purer signal propagation with less distortion or smearing of high-frequency details, resulting in what listeners perceive as greater openness and clarity.

However, practical considerations like durability and long-term stability often lead manufacturers to favor PTFE despite its slight compromises in performance. For audiophiles who prioritize sonic purity above all else—and are willing to accept potential challenges like oxidation—air dielectrics remain an appealing choice for achieving optimal sound quality.

Your AI bot failed to understand a simple question on material science and entered a long divagation on audiophiles and dielectrics. I will answer just because it illustrates why IMO we should ban AI, otherwise I would ignore its answer.

You referred silver oxide is a conductor. I said it is p-type semiconductor, (with higher resistivity - three to five orders of magnitude I can add) compared to silver according to scientific referred papers. Your bot collects information from an home theatre article, me from referred papers - silver oxide is a common subject.

BTW, in science there is a large difference between being a conductor and being conductive, as you surely know.

 

[Ted Denney III]

While you may never have heard of Dave, it is clear to me that he is a highly competent cable designer. In repeated shootouts that I witnessed over the years, his ZenWave cables routinely beat more expensive ones from other manufacturers.

All my analog signal cables and all my power cords are from Dave's ZenWave Audio (D4 interconnects, SSR-11 silver ribbon speaker cables, PL-11 power cords, Clear Bass power cords). I am extremely happy with the sound.

Another audio designer who had been skeptical about Dave's ZenWave cables did some cable comparisons last summer upon a visit to my place and he came away being very impressed. He liked Dave's cables the best and congratulated me on my great choice.

I’m just saying, I’d never heard of the guy until he came at me initially and subsequently, as can be seen in his recent posts here. Initially, he attacked me for participating in the group, which I thought was unseemly after I found out he’s a competitor. And I’ve no idea how competent he is or is not as a designer; however, I’m extremely confident in my own work. I go up against the most expensive and highly sought-after brands in the industry, and we do extremely well on the global stage, which is aside from his brand and is not intended to take away from his brand. I am simply offering my products to anyone who would like to audition them through an authorized SR dealer.

 

[Ted Denney III]

Your AI bot failed to understand a simple question on material science and entered a long divagation on audiophiles and dielectrics. I will answer just because it illustrates why IMO we should ban AI, otherwise I would ignore its answer.

You referred silver oxide is a conductor. I said it is p-type semiconductor, (with higher resistivity - three to five orders of magnitude I can add) compared to silver according to scientific referred papers. Your bot collects information from an home theatre article, me from referred papers - silver oxide is a common subject.

BTW, in science there is a large difference between being a conductor and being conductive, as you surely know.

Silver oxide (Ag2O):
• Chemical formula: Ag2O
• Appearance: Black/brown cubic crystals
• Molar mass: 231.735 g·mol−1
• Structure: Linear, two-coordinate Ag centers linked by tetrahedral oxides
• Conductivity: Semiconductor, but with lower conductivity than pure silver

Silver sulfide (Ag2S):
• Chemical formula: Ag2S
• Appearance: Grayish-black crystals or powder
• Molar mass: 247.80 g·mol−1
• Structure: Monoclinic (acanthite) below 179°C, body-centered cubic above 180°C
• Conductivity: Good electrical conductor, especially at higher temperatures

Both compounds have lower conductivity than pure silver, but their presence doesn’t negate the argument about dielectric properties of air versus Teflon.

 

[Alrainbow]

I want to change my answer to yes it’s ok to use AI. Why what is the difference between looking things on rhe web and using AI
Neither can be correct always and who does know if it’s correct.
have my trades how many posts or wiki articles I know are wrong what to do lol.

 

[microstrip]

Silver oxide (Ag2O):
• Chemical formula: Ag2O
• Appearance: Black/brown cubic crystals
• Molar mass: 231.735 g·mol−1
• Structure: Linear, two-coordinate Ag centers linked by tetrahedral oxides
• Conductivity: Semiconductor, but with lower conductivity than pure silver

Nice to know you can be more educated than your AI bot.

Both compounds have lower conductivity than pure silver, but their presence doesn’t negate the argument about dielectric properties of air versus Teflon.

Not just lower for the oxide - the one being addressed - but much, much lower. I am not interested in your argumentation with Dave. Just wanted to correct a myth that during some time I also helped to propagate - it sounded so nice and simple ...

 

[Ted Denney III]

Nice to know you can be more educated than your AI bot.



Not just lower for the oxide - the one being addressed - but much, much lower. I am not interested in your argumentation with Dave. Just wanted to correct a myth that during some time I also helped to propagate - it sounded so nice and simple ...

The point being, we’ve been making cables with PTFE dielectrics for a very long time—almost 30 years. And we’ve been building air dielectric cables for over 10 years. There is no comparison in the performance from our perspective. The air dielectric wins 10 out of 10 times, whether it’s a year old or 10 years old. There is a certain amount of oxidation that occurs when PTFE is applied to silver because of the temperatures involved, and that gets locked in. Then there’s the deleterious effect of the PTFE dielectric itself, also locked in. A 10-year-old silver air dielectric cable will outperform a broken-in 90-day-old PTFE dielectric cable, all other constants being equal, every time. Also, I’m not interested in fighting with Dave, and I didn’t start this fight. I didn’t reference Dave; he chose to come in like a bull in a china shop and then bring his degree into it, as if that somehow informs people as to which cable will sound best in their system. For my part, I simply make my products available for people to try. This seems honest to me.

 

[microstrip]

I want to change my answer to yes it’s ok to use AI. Why what is the difference between looking things on rhe web and using AI
Neither can be correct always and who does know if it’s correct.
have my trades how many posts or wiki articles I know are wrong what to do lol.

From an article I got using instructed google search:

Google is horrible - Requires you to evaluate sources yourself to determine credibility.

Ai is great - No need to sift through multiple links—AI does the work for you.

I know which I prefer ...

 

[DaveC]

I’m just saying, I’d never heard of the guy until he came at me initially and subsequently, as can be seen in his recent posts here. Initially, he attacked me for participating in the group, which I thought was unseemly after I found out he’s a competitor. And I’ve no idea how competent he is or is not as a designer; however, I’m extremely confident in my own work. I go up against the most expensive and highly sought-after brands in the industry, and we do extremely well on the global stage, which is aside from his brand and is not intended to take away from his brand. I am simply offering my products to anyone who would like to audition them through an authorized SR dealer.

More lies.

You attacked and demeaned myself and my products because I suggested people compare cables before buying yours. You've said exactly the same a few times so I have no idea why you got so defensive and angry?

I can say in comparisons your cables aren't even close. My cables are often compared to Siltech, Crystal Cable, etc. You aren't even in the running when it comes to high end, I've never heard your name mentioned by anyone who has a high end system.

You're also offering more proof that you are unqualified to design and build audio gear. I and others have had to educate you on the design compromises you unwittingly made. This whole episode of you posting hundreds of times in less than a week on WBF while lying about using AI is absolutely ridiculous. I can see why you've been banned so many times on other forums.

The point being, we’ve been making cables with PTFE dielectrics for a very long time—almost 30 years. And we’ve been building air dielectric cables for over 10 years. There is no comparison in the performance from our perspective. The air dielectric wins 10 out of 10 times, whether it’s a year old or 10 years old. There is a certain amount of oxidation that occurs when PTFE is applied to silver because of the temperatures involved, and that gets locked in. Then there’s the deleterious effect of the PTFE dielectric itself, also locked in. A 10-year-old silver air dielectric cable will outperform a broken-in 90-day-old PTFE dielectric cable, all other constants being equal, every time. Also, I’m not interested in fighting with Dave, and I didn’t start this fight. I didn’t reference Dave; he chose to come in like a bull in a china shop and then bring his degree into it, as if that somehow informs people as to which cable will sound best in their system. For my part, I simply make my products available for people to try. This seems honest to me.

You are lying here just like you're lying about not using AI. I honestly can't believe either the mods or owners tolerate this.

 

[microstrip]

The point being, we’ve been making cables with PTFE dielectrics for a very long time—almost 30 years. And we’ve been building air dielectric cables for over 10 years. There is no comparison in the performance from our perspective. The air dielectric wins 10 out of 10 times, whether it’s a year old or 10 years old. There is a certain amount of oxidation that occurs when PTFE is applied to silver because of the temperatures involved, and that gets locked in. Then there’s the deleterious effect of the PTFE dielectric itself, also locked in. A 10-year-old silver air dielectric cable will outperform a broken-in 90-day-old PTFE dielectric cable, all other constants being equal, every time. Also, I’m not interested in fighting with Dave, and I didn’t start this fight. I didn’t reference Dave; he chose to come in like a bull in a china shop and then bring his degree into it, as if that somehow informs people as to which cable will sound best in their system. For my part, I simply make my products available for people to try. This seems honest to me.

How is this related to my post?

 

[Ron Resnick]

How about putting a clamp on the silver oxide boxing match and stop polluting this dedicated thread about AI?!?!

 

[Ron Resnick]

When you encounter posts such as Ted's that are very obviously AI, a detector isn't required.

I also think it's not required for almost every single member here. But Ted has demonstrated he's willing to lie about it. I think he's a group of ONE. He's the reason this thread exists, and his denial of his obvious use of AI is problematic.

Ted has posted that he uses AI on what I am calling a "back-end" basis to check spelling and grammar, and sometimes to do some polishing. If he dials it up too far, it may read as 100% on our AI detector, and could be challenged as a possible AI post. But if he dials it down it's just spellcheck and grammar and maybe a touch of polishing -- which is well within natural human writing range -- so no problemo.

So what's the problem?

I thought the marketing copy of Ted's ethernet piece was literally perfectly written. I don't want it on WBF, but for professional use purposes it is fantastic. It is a lot better than I could write!

 

[tima]

How about putting a clamp on the silver oxide boxing match and stop polluting this dedicated thread about AI?!?!

Sometimes threads are allowed to run at length off topic, sometimes not.

 

[Steve williams]

Somehow I find it difficult to believe that when you use AI to check grammar it will show as 100% AI generated. That to me seems far fetched and just a little too high on my BS meter

 

[tima]

Somehow I find it difficult to believe that when you use AI to check grammar it will show as 100% AI generated. That to me seems far fetched and just a little too high on my BS meter

You can use MS-Word to check grammar. That does not flag as AI.

 

[tima]

Ted has posted that he uses AI on what I am calling a "back-end" basis to check spelling and grammar, and sometimes to do some polishing.

What is "polishing"? You make it sound innocuous.

 

[DaveC]

Ted has posted that he uses AI on what I am calling a "back-end" basis to check spelling and grammar, and sometimes to do some polishing. If he dials it up too far, it may read as 100% on our AI detector, and could be challenged as a possible AI post. But if he dials it down it's just spellcheck and grammar and maybe a touch of polishing -- which is well within natural human writing range -- so no problemo.

So what's the problem?

I thought the marketing copy of Ted's ethernet piece was literally perfectly written. I don't want it on WBF, but for professional use purposes it is fantastic. It is a lot better than I could write!

The problem is this: I am not willing to engage with AI-generated content.

If you read the thread in question the AI post I called out is so far off from what he posted previously that it's clearly not written by the same person. I don't believe Ted is responsible for the content at all, and that it is in fact AI-generated. I think this is obvious.

It seems like you may not be all that experienced in recognizing AI written text. What Ted wrote reads like AI to those who have experience recognizing it, and for that reason it's a bad idea to use it professionally. Maybe the paid versions do a better job, but to me the writing comes off as artificial and contrived.

The fact we are questioning whether a post is AI-generated or not is proof enough it shouldn't be allowed to do anything more than check spelling and basic grammar. When it starts reformulating entire sentences I think it's a step too far, because then it's too easy for Ted to do what he's doing right now.

Ted is lying to us all, he's used AI-generated text to further his own business and to argue against a competitor. AI is what's allowing him to create the sheer volume of posts that he's put up since he joined. Ron, you're being used as Ted's marketing forum and Ted is abusing everyone on WBF with AI generated spam. How far are you going to let this go?