Should a member be allowed to make a post which is AI generated or AI mixed without disclosing such use of AI as part of the post?

[andromedaaudio]

Sorry, it is not what is being questioned. IMO it transcends it - the question is establishing what is (or not) unethical in the use of AI and then how to deal with it.

Any idea what Floyd Toole thinks of the AI issue ?

 

[andromedaaudio]

lol

I wanna have a Neuralink /AI implant so i can win any discussion on a forum

 

[Rt66indierock]

So, being unethical and deceiving is okay?

Tom

Based on who in the industry promoted MQA, the answer seems to yes in a lot of cases.

 

[Rensselaer]

AI draws responses to questions by quickly screening the internet for data that would give an answer that appears to meet the parameters of the question poised. There is no fact-checking of that internet data.

Much of what is on the web was added by people (like me) who are likely to write their opinion, not peer-reviewed evidence-based fact.

I recall getting into a discussion with a parent about my professional opinion that her child should get the MMR immunisation. She was adamant that the MMR jab causes autism and that she wasn’t about to take any risks with the health of her child. I assured her that the evidence suggests the opposite and she became angry and left but not before chastising me and suggesting I go back on-line and do my “research”.

Now I see that the head of the department of health in the USA believes the same disproven lies (originally released as part of a scheme to win $millions from the vaccine producers).

There is a whole generation that believe what they read on the internet. They have not undertaken study in research methods and haven’t the tools to judge validity. Add the authority of AI to the mix and behold: the second dark ages.

 

[microstrip]

AI draws responses to questions by quickly screening the internet for data that would give an answer that appears to meet the parameters of the question poised. There is no fact-checking of that internet data.

What you are calling the internet are books, magazines, articles, websites with technical information and other sources, such as proprietary databases. Most of this data has intrinsic fact-checking. It is AI user responsibility to drive the AI bot to these proper sources.

Much of what is on the web was added by people (like me) who are likely to write their opinion, not peer-reviewed evidence-based fact.

It is a minimal part of the knowledge on the subject, unless it is a niche subject. But you are right - subjective high-end audio is mostly a niche subject.

I recall getting into a discussion with a parent about my professional opinion that her child should get the MMR immunisation. She was adamant that the MMR jab causes autism and that she wasn’t about to take any risks with the health of her child. I assured her that the evidence suggests the opposite and she became angry and left but not before chastising me and suggesting I go back on-line and do my “research”.

Now I see that the head of the department of health in the USA believes the same disproven lies (originally released as part of a scheme to win $millions from the vaccine producers).

There is a whole generation that believe what they read on the internet. They have not undertaken study in research and haven’t the tools to judge validity. Add the authority of AI to the mix and behold: the second dark ages.

Good point. Currently doctors loose a lot of time fighting the "medical internet" . The main problem is that with the help of AI patients get more consistent advice that needs longer argumentation. How to do it efficiently is a subject being thought nowadays in some medical schools.

 

[tima]

Not sure if you're trying to be humorous or serious, but in thinking about a person with poor writing skills who might use AI to provide clarity in his writing, I had a friend in mind. English is his second language, and thus his written (and verbal) skills in English could be considered below average to poor. His thinking skills? He has a PhD in Medical/Surgical Robotics from a leading US university and works in that field for a US based medical products company. Pretty sure no one would consider his thinking skills to be less than Top 1%.

So, I'll take you up on your wager. Maybe you want to double down?

Sure.

Did your friend use a robot to write his dissertation? Probably not.

Using a robot to do translation seems a bit over-wrought and a contrived example. Write in your native language then translate to English. Not sure that translation requires artificial intelligence.

However, if your native language account reflects poor cognition does the robot postulate the intent that you cannot articulate?

 

[tima]

Claiming a correlation between writing skills and intelligence on WBF is rather unfortunate, as English is not the native language of every member. Many knowledgeable contributors may not express themselves fluently in English, but that does not mean they’re stupid.

Perhaps, but that misses the point of the discussion which is about using artificial intelligence to create a post. I responded to a post about using AI to fix unclear writing.

Apart from language differences, do incoherent native language posts suggest brilliance?

 

[Steve williams]

I’m still hoping that those who are reading this thread but not yet voted to do such. The vote is a simple “yes” or “no” Totally anonymous and results only become visible once they vote

 

[Mike Lavigne]

Perhaps, but that misses the point of the discussion which is about using artificial intelligence to create a post. I responded to a post about using AI to fix unclear writing.

Apart from language differences, do incoherent native language posts suggest brilliance?

just speaking for myself; i think there are an unlimited amount of shades of intellect and language issues in any on line forum on any subject. but my expectation is that most audiophiles are educated and think cogently. and not all smart people have depth in our hobby......so trying to judge one from the other is a slippery slope. but language is a wild card. we should not attempt to associate one (degrees of intellect) with the other (language skills) and just deal with individual occurrences as best we can.

if AI is a tool that helps and it's handled within the rules then fine. maybe AI can function in a native language and translate too? not sure how that goes.

 

[tima]

just speaking for myself; i think there are an unlimited amount of shades of intellect and language issues in any on line forum on any subject. but my expectation is that most audiophiles are educated and think cogently. and not all smart people have depth in our hobby......so trying to judge one from the other is a slippery slope. but language is a wild card. we should not attempt to associate one (degrees of intellect) with the other (language skills) and just deal with individual occurrences as best we can.

trying to judge one what from another?

Language is a wild card? huh? Do not associate what is said with what is thought? Do we misrepresent ourselves? How do you distinguish between them?

 

[Robh3606]

trying to judge one what from another?

Language is a wild card? huh? Do not associate what is said with what is thought? Do we misrepresent ourselves? How do you distinguish between them?

Language is a wild card through a keyboard, read as typed.

In the real world it's all about body and spoken language. One benefits greatly when both are available.

Rob

 

[Ron Resnick]

The Iron Dome's Tamir missiles exemplify advanced AI and computational decision-making. With only 10 seconds to calculate interception trajectories, these systems demonstrate sophisticated real-time threat assessment and response capabilities.

Similarly, state security authorities now use predictive AI to anticipate and preempt terrorist group developments, often preventing incidents before they become public knowledge.

In aviation, computer systems increasingly handle critical pilot decisions across multiple aircraft types, including commercial airliners like Airbus and Boeing, as well as advanced fighter jets such as the F-35 and F-22. These systems process complex data and make split-second decisions that were once exclusively human domain.

These examples illustrate how AI and computational technologies have transformed decision-making in defense, security, and transportation, enabling faster, more precise responses in high-stakes scenarios.

The RonBot AI Detector calculated there is a 67.4% chance that this post is AI or mixed AI.

 

[andromedaaudio]

Doesn't a Neuralink implant require a functioning brain?

So you re saying you will not be allowed to have one Ron?

 

[Ron Resnick]

So you re saying you will not be allowed to have one Ron?

I have no interest in that technology.

 

[thedudeabides]

Absolutely absurd. One must ask where does it stop.

 

[andromedaaudio]

People will be confronted with it anyway whether they like it or not

 

[Ron Resnick]

There are at least four issues here related to AI posts:

1) Required disclosure if a post is generated by AI. (I have posted ChatGPT answers to questions. In those posts I indicated conspicuously that I asked Chat GPT the question. I posted the verbatim question I asked, and then I posted the verbatim answer I received from ChatGPT.)

2) Are AI detectors reliable? (One post last week which was accused of being AI was rated 100% chance of AI by two detectors, and 55% chance by a third AI detector. I sure wouldn't want AI detectors to be adjudicating allegations against criminal defendants.)

3) Disciplinary action if a non-AI disclosed post is found by one or more AI detectors administered by the moderators or some other WBF deliberative body to be AI generated.

4) How should "mixed" AI be treated?

 

[Steve williams]

In spite of all the fodder which IMO is just that, the question was straight forward and at the moment I would have to say that the results are overwhelming

 

[treitz3]

2) Are AI detectors reliable? (One post last week which was accused of being AI was rated 100% chance of AI by two detectors, and 57% chance by a third AI detector. I sure wouldn't want AI detectors to be adjudicating allegations against criminal defendants.)

Please show us the exact results of your findings.

Tom

 

[DasguteOhr]

If you let machines do the thinking...I can already hear the Terminator coming in the distance.