He has been carrying Canary Audio for a while now...even had a cd player in Munich one year...was far behind either the kondo DAC or the NeoDio Origine cd player...
Speakers for Kondo Ongaku... Please Help
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On the Definitive website they carry Atelier Du Triode brand...perhaps they will go there? Would make more sense than CH...
Yes sir. should fit very well, you have to say goodbye to the 27 watts, 16-18 watts are realistic. Maybe in Japan. everyone who is familiar with building, that the operation of the class A 1 reaches a maximum of 1250 V / 60 mA ~ 19.7 watts. the kondo only runs 960v* / 75mA
P.S I've read it wrong, read out the values in the circuit diagram and changed them
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It was a totally different room with totally different speakers?
Iirc when Howie posted his videos kondo came last behind engstrom and Koda, and he confirmed his impressions were the same.
Yes, but wasn't that on his new Goebels? I think Kondo needs really efficient speakers to do their thing. That's been my experience anyway.
And I'm doing this from memory but I think the Lars amps are 36 Watts AND THEY ARE PUSH PULL. Push Pull will drive speakers like Goebels or any other non really efficient speakers SO MUCH better than a SET amplifier. Again, that's been my experience. I know Goebels are efficient AND beautiful and sound GREAT, but I think Kondo needs high efficiency speakers.
I think you have to get close to 100db efficiency for Kondo amps. I think the Goebels are like Kaisers in the low-mid 90s, but like the Kaisers that are 93db efficient they REALLY respond when you give them power.
I think you have to get close to 100db efficiency for Kondo amps. I think the Goebels are like Kaisers in the low-mid 90s, but like the Kaisers that are 93db efficient they REALLY respond when you give them power.
Gosh. Don't know. 95dB. I'm sure it would sound great on some types of music but might run out of steam. The Goebels seem to like quite a bit of power.
They were Erics which are 70W push pull so yes I agree they would be more powerful than the 50W single ended Kagura. Still miss my Kagura though.
Yeah, I think 70 Watt PP are GREAT size amps. Low power enough to sound great, but can drive most speakers. Even the 36 Watts PP can drive most speakers.
I had a Vitus prepower combo on loan and decided to swap out the vitus preamp for my M77. Blew it into the weeds. There really wasn't much comparison.
I don't know. I quoted random video experience to counter Brad's compare of kondo room at Munich with engstrom room at Munich
I have to say I would never compare CH with SET amps. IMO they don't sound alike at all.
These are very interesting findings ....
On the other hand, I had a solid state system consisting of a Trinity Reference preamp and Mark Levinson ML-2 amps. I also tested CH Precision L1 + A1.5 in this system. It was a little bit better, although it was actually only a little bit better with the L1. The A1.5 was just a little different, but not better. After that I switched to Aries Cerat Impera + Essentia. (O.k. tube pre and triode fet amp). That was much, much, much better.
I get what you are saying...and I have never heard but this was my take away from the following 2 posts:
Major SET owner? (Kondo Souga, etc)
From major Lamm distributor and owner (SET?)
The CH Paradox
...Through the years however, a trend began to develop. While members explored as usual, those landing in the CH camp were switching over from tube land. Guy with vaccum tube bomb avatar (see left) has own theory and here it is.
I think that there are fundamentally two kinds of tube guys. There are those that prize the linearity of triodes most highly and those that prize the warmth some tube designs offer most highly. It shows in the preferences in tube types and tubes within those types too. Are you a Telefunker or a Mullardator? LOL Okay obviously I am oversimplifying this. Hey it's just a theory ok? In any case, I have gathered that those switching to CH are the Telefunkers for lack of a better descriptor. OTLers and 2a3-ers doesn't have the same ring to it. Anyways...........the guys that like speed and delicacy because rough edges drive us nuts and overhang puts us to sleep really quickly.
In the past when it was said that a solid state amp sounded tube like it meant that it was smooth and perhaps warm. You never heard from anybody that a solid state amp sounded tubelike in terms of articulation particularly when it comes to ambience. These amps were almost always zero feedback pure class A designs. The bias indeed reduces the zero crossing distortion or eliminates it altogether. Such was my love for my Aleph 0 and my other love, the age defying M1.2 Reference.
So here are the funkers and the mullardy guys are saying we're nuts. NOT tubelike they yell! Peace out bros, my theory is we aren't talking about the same aspects. No CH will not give you the hot chocolate with marshmallows feeling..........unless it's on the recording
I would love a Kondo Ongaku for my pureaudioproject project. Kondo SET with silver trafos and silver wired throughout would marry beautifully with the open nature of an OB horn combo. I already have 7n upocc silver as the hookup in my horns and as the signal cables. The open and immediate nature of horns, OB, SET and upocc silver is a very live and natural marriage.
While in my case the price points may be in different postcodes silver wound Kondo SET and a pair of OB horns could be an engagingly lifelike and luxe combo.
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Very very interesting. The construction is very similar between PAP and WVL Berlin Except that Berlin is Field Coil. Your statement about Ongaku and OB seems to support my findings, I admit that I don’t have much experience with different horns nor OB speakers but I don think it’s easy to best what I heard two weeks ago. In fact right now my dealer is arranging home demo for the WVL Berlin, perhaps in 1-2 weeks. The dealer will also loan me a HSE Swiss Reference Phono to replace my Jadis JS3, I originally wanted an EMT Phono but I don’t always get what I want LOL…Peeps said HSE is better though, I just don’t like the design and fully balanced plugs.
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LOL, my first pick since months ago, unfortunately I am still a businessman, not a politician or superstar so I can’t afford it
